Death Witchery

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Healer's Corner podcast with your hosts, Melissa Wiles and Maria Cerna. Yay. [00:00:12] Speaker B: We're here. [00:00:14] Speaker A: Hi. [00:00:15] Speaker B: We were having some tech difficulties. We were having some other issues. We are here and accounted for. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Yay. [00:00:26] Speaker B: We get to have Calavera back to go into some death witchery. And I'm sure to the. The layperson, it sounds so more scary than what it really is. [00:00:38] Speaker A: Yes, it does. [00:00:40] Speaker B: What exactly is death witchery? As you work it? [00:00:45] Speaker A: So it is a. You are working with things that are. We'll call it void of life. So, like, residual energy. So I work a lot with things like bones that used to contain life that no longer contain life, different types of herbs that are related to the underworld and. Or death. And death witchery is a lot to do with transformation. So the ending of things and the beginning of new things. It's getting comfortable with the idea of things changing and molding for something new to come in and working with things that I guess are just dead, but finding the energy and the. We'll call it, like, the magic within those things. [00:01:46] Speaker B: How did you get into death witchery? Like, what made you wake up one day and go, that's it? [00:01:51] Speaker A: I've always been drawn to bones and the idea of, like, death itself because it's so unknown, and I just like the idea of delving into things that will say or, like, taboo. So, yeah, like, there really wasn't, like, a one day I'm gonna do this. It was. I was kind of along my witch journey, and originally, like, I was kind of doing, like, the traditional, like, meditation, getting into crystals, very light and airy. But I always felt like there was something missing. And it was this part of myself that I had been kind of, like, shying away from because of the upbringing I was brought into. It was that bad. And so finally, like, I was like, I'm gonna fully accept myself for who I am, as weird as this is, and bring these other elements that I like into witchcraft. And that's where, like, death witchery and death witch was born. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Is. [00:03:07] Speaker C: Is this. Is this a practice that. Or is it. Is this something that you have gone into your own path? And there are. [00:03:18] Speaker A: There are people that call themselves death witches. They're like, again, they're primarily the people that focus on, like, death doula ing, people that focus on working with things that are dead. I just called myself a death witch. Funny enough. Courtney was the one that actually, like, coined me that. I was sitting there and I'm like, I don't really know what I Am like, I know that I'm not this, and I know that I'm not this. And she's like, have you ever heard of the term death witch? She's like, that's what I always picture you as. And so I did some research, and there are people that like, coin themselves as that. But I've kind of gone with my own way about it. There's. There's people that. Death witch and death work are also different. Death work is something you have to. Apparently there's this whole thing, and I don't know all the gists about it, but, like, death work is something where you have to almost go through like, a. A death and dying experience in order to be. Be allowed to practice death work. It's something. Something along those lines. So. But death witchery is open to anybody that wants to dwell into that. [00:04:39] Speaker C: Okay, how is that different from traditional witchcraft? And you said the death doula work. [00:04:48] Speaker A: So as far as the traditional works of witchcraft, I know there's just some people that do not touch death and dying things. Like, to them, it's very scary. It's very taboo. So they might be into witchcraft, but they'll never touch bones. They'll never, like, communicate with spirits. They're not. They're the people that feel a little icky. Going to the cemetery with me. I thrive in that environment where that is more like my sanctuary versus going to a group meditation where some people might find comfort in that. So to me, there's really no difference between death witchery or being a death witch and witchcraft. It is a part of witchcraft. It's just something that I would say is my niche over anything else. Death doula ing is a specific, like, certified practice where you aid in the end of life with people and you can bring spirituality into that. Ultimately, that's something that I want to do and getting comfortable enough with death to be able to aid people into that transition. But where death witchcraft can be practiced by anybody that wants to do it, Death doula ing isn't necessarily entirely spiritual. It also is a. Like a medical and a certified practice that you have to go through training to do. [00:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I believe, like, there's state certifications you kind of go through and everything from. For that part. And some of them, like, there's even where you aid in, like, the legalities towards the end and everything. So you're almost like death doula light right now. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:06:58] Speaker B: I mean, I. I thought about doing death dealer, but it's like there is so much training that I'm like, Right now with the store, I don't have the time to like, get into that training. But it is something that might be on the horizons. And I know you and I have like, research before opening. Like, what about this one? Did you look into this one? This one only, you know, this amount of it, it's all, you know, via zoom rather than in person. I'm like, carry on. Go learn, go learn, you know. Which you found out because I don't have time. [00:07:32] Speaker A: Oh. [00:07:33] Speaker B: Kathy says she's also interested in assisting people in death. [00:07:36] Speaker A: So. [00:07:36] Speaker B: So maybe we'll just have a core group of us, like, onward to go. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Onward to death dueling. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Right. Like goddess elite side business. [00:07:46] Speaker A: Yeah, let's come with a cool name. [00:07:54] Speaker B: So it's not like anything reading off energy off of people's items. That would be psychometry and psychometry can happen. And Maria, you can speak more on this. Like, the person does not have to have had pass to read the energy off that item if they. [00:08:12] Speaker C: Right, correct. [00:08:15] Speaker B: But psychometry can be fun. It doesn't always work for me. That's why I've never really. But Maria, you do it kind of often. Psychometry, right? [00:08:25] Speaker C: Yes, yes. Of a pictures off of any kind of item that the person have held. I can, I can pick up on the energy. Once you get used to the energy, once you know the energy, you can pretty, you know, you, you have to know your. Your own energy and be aware of your own energy. And so when something else is invited, then you know. But I, I, I am fascinated also with the bones because they do have, you know, you know, a few also. And some people may get a little bit eeked by that, but it, the vessel, it was just a vessel that hold the spirit. That's what it was. It made some residue of energy in it, but that's just it. It's just residue. Just like psychometry. There may be some residue of some of the things that was inherited to. [00:09:20] Speaker A: You. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Now, like, Sierra, have you had any sort of psychometry, like, picking up any of the bones as you're fighting them? Like, have you gotten flashes of anything of that animal? Or even like, because you've got some human parts? [00:09:34] Speaker A: Like, have you picked up anything? So I forgot about that. I have. The only time I feel like I have felt so something like that. Now I don't get, like, the flashes and, like, not nearly as in depth as what Maria does with psychometry, but I have gotten like, ashes from people that I don't know. There's a market for this, this type of stuff. And you. By feeling like, these ashes. And I can feel the energy of the person. Person. So, like, there was one time I had bought ashes from somebody, and I always ask for, like, what type of. I would like their. As much information on this person as possible, like their death certificate, everything. And so usually people are totally cool with that and they will send it to you, like, via email. And I remember I have two sets of ashes. One feels very chaotic, almost like. Almost sad in a way. And another set of ashes I have is very light and airy and bubbly. And I chose to look at the information afterwards after I have felt the ashes. And one set of ashes is from a. A woman who was very happy in life, wanted to travel, and she's still able to do that through having her ashes spread around. And the other was from a man who, unfortunately, towards the end of his life, started to have really bad, like, Alzheimer's and dementia and started to become very, very angry and upset with the way that life is going. He had regrets, and he could never really go back and fix them. Person gave me a whole biography on this person. And so you. I could still feel the. The energy of the people even after they have passed. But as far as flashes of, you know, their life and who they were, not really. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Have you tried to do a healing ceremony for that gentleman? [00:11:57] Speaker A: No, I really should, though. I really should. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Because that curious experiment. Let us know. Follow up. [00:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Idea. He stays next to the woman. So I'm like, maybe you guys will kind of like rub off on each other like you are. Teach him to be happy. Teach him to be like, you guys are now friends. So, like, you're in this evening in death. So I basically put them together, and I go, now be friends with each other. [00:12:30] Speaker B: Now. Was she a nurse by chance? [00:12:34] Speaker A: That's a great question. I have to. Look. I'll have to go back into her information because they did give me a little bit about her. I know she loved to paint. She loved traveling. She. She. I forgot what her job was. But now I'm gonna have to go. [00:12:53] Speaker B: Back and check because that would just be really cool if it turns out she was like, a nurse and you were instinctively like, here, go take care of him. [00:13:00] Speaker A: That would be really cool. Yeah, I just. [00:13:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm gonna have to go look at information now. Yeah, you have homework with you tomorrow. [00:13:08] Speaker B: Like death, which we, like, get into ancestor work and stuff. [00:13:15] Speaker A: So it is pretty much like the gateway into ancestor work. Or ancestor work is the gateway into death witchery. Some people feel More comfortable doing ancestor work and working with people that are within their bloodline because it gives them a connection to someone who is part of their family. But you are still working with people that do ancestor work. Like, you are still working with people that have passed. You're still working with, like, deceased spirit energy. But it helps with the comfortability of knowing that this person is no longer here and being. Trying to connect to them on this plane and form a bond with them and figure out kind of like who they were and what they're here to assist you with in life now. So very similar. Because what I would. All I always tell people my ancestor work is, it's just. It's just spirit work. You're just. These are people that are part of your family that you're comfortable with. And I think that always gives people comfort, like if they are trying to start onto their way of death, witchery, and maybe working with people or things that they don't know. I think ancestor work is a really good way to start with it. [00:14:45] Speaker C: Is there a possibility that it might happen, that a spirit will come to you and ask for healing to help them with the transition? Because they may be still in this realm, part of their spirit or their spirit in total that. That they will come and ask who you please, you know, do a healing? [00:15:07] Speaker A: That's like a really. It's really funny that you mention that, because I literally just got drawn over to the. The gentleman I was talking about, the reason why I purchased him, which sounds terrible, but the reason why I purchased him was because he was a. The person described him as just being like, he wasn't a bad man, but he was someone who was hurting a lot. And so I was instantly drawn to that as to being like you weren't wanted by the people in your life to where they're giving away your ashes, like there's no place for you. And so I wanted to kind of heal him by giving him a place and knowing that, like, I want you. Like, I want whatever you can offer here. And you don't even have to offer anything other than, like, you're, you know, you're taking up space. So I haven't necessarily done any healings, but I have felt drawn to people that way. We're just feeling wanted. And feeling like you belong somewhere again is a way that I have tried to heal. He's definitely one of them that I bought out of. I don't want to say guilt, because that's not it, but, like, I want to help you because you. They let Your family doesn't want any part of you. So. [00:16:47] Speaker B: Yeah, like in my younger years I was a home health aide and sometimes you would run into the beginning and it would happen as they get more into it. Like they can become very angry and. Because they're scared. [00:16:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:00] Speaker B: And they're startled and they're overwhelmed and you know, and sometimes they could be very unpleasant. And if that was going on and depending on how long ago when he passed and if the medical technology was not there to help him then to slow it down or I'm sure they were like, oh my God. Yeah, just be gone. And you know, it's sad, it's really sad when that happens now. Like, if you were to do a healing for him, like what do you anticipate or what would you think that you would have to do for him? [00:17:32] Speaker A: I definitely, from the energy I just feel from him in general, he feels like he really messed up a lot in life and make mistake after mistake. He hurt a lot of people especially he had like, I think several ex wives and it was, it was all his doing as to why they no longer have been together. So I think there's a lot of. I've made a lot of mistakes and I don't know if they're redeemable and if I'm redeemable. So what I would do is some sort of working that kind of gives him a sense of like self worth again and knowing that like, yes, you cannot go back and change those things now. I don't know. It's all on the spiritual side. I don't know if there is a way that he can redeem himself to these people. But I know for sure that getting him his self worth back and just knowing and letting him know that like you did your best with what you knew and there's nothing also towards the end of your life that you could have done differently. Like, we can't help dementia, we can't help Alzheimer's. And when you had family that really didn't want anything to do with you as it was giving that sense of like family back in that sense of like there is nothing you could have done to change the situation and you're safe now and just giving that sense of like security back to someone, I think would be a, a good way to start and just let him know that he wasn't, he wasn't a, he wasn't a burden. I think also his family just didn't know how to deal with him. I think he, I think exactly like how Melissa said is you get angry, you get scared, you feel like a burden. So therefore it's, let me just be mean so that I. They don't have to worry about me and they kind of amplifies. And I worked in the retirement home, like I definitely have. Have seen it where it's just like if I just become this person even more, like they don't want to be near me and therefore they won't be burdened with me. So I think there's also that too kind of like self sabotage in a way. [00:19:56] Speaker C: I'm a firm believer that once the person transition, if there are certain things that, that they have not learned, I call them lessons, that there is a, you know, a residue of their energy here that's stuck. So that's pretty much exactly what you're saying, that those ashes are holding some of the regrets. Yeah, But I also firmly believe that the other part of their soul that has seen the other side of the spirit world, it's kind of a hard concept for me because even though that's a residue, their soul had transitioned into the spirit world and they have, they have accept they know what love is, they know what to belong. They know that even though that was a life lesson and maybe it was, it wasn't learned that, you know, they're just going to take a time to just rest and just enjoy their life in the spirit world and then maybe come back if they want to redo that lesson and differently have a different result to it. [00:21:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good way of looking at it. [00:21:10] Speaker C: Okay, so that, that's why it was just kind of like, well, wait a minute. I go. The residue is just a residue energy in his ashes, in his, you know, his being, whoever he was. You know, so that's what I, I would just. I don't know if anyone else in the audience is having a hard concept of trying to figure that one out. So I don't know if you can go more into detail of. [00:21:44] Speaker A: The death. [00:21:45] Speaker C: The death which would be part of it. [00:21:48] Speaker A: So I think that, you know, just like kind of how you said where you've got that residual, you've got that residue, you know, it's kind of like when you go to someone's. Someone's grave site who, you know, for example, like passed away traumatically and you go there and you can kind of feel the heaviness and you know, maybe they didn't want to go, they didn't expect to go. And you feel the heaviness and you feel like the, the sadness. It's Just. I agree that it's just that, like, residual energy that I believe that the soul has passed on. Like, whatever you believe in soul spirits, like, that is. Is. Is gone now. I believe that they kind of have a little bit of an attachment to parts of themselves. And maybe that's just something that he's still trying to work through. Like, he's definitely not. His full self is definitely not attached to this little jar. You know, he's definitely, like, out there wherever he's at. I, for him, feel like he hasn't quite passed on yet. Where it's kind of like one foot in, one foot out. Because there's things that I think he is still holding on to, to maybe the material world in a way of like, you know, some sort of regret, some sort of something. I don't know. I always feel like for people that had maybe a hard transitioning into death, whether it be they weren't ready, that they usually tend to. Again, like, one foot in, one foot out. I can't. I can't communicate with earthbounds or anything like that. So I always feel like the people that I see are people that have somewhat agreed that, like, they're ready to move on, but there's something keeping them here. Whether that be, like, emotions or regrets or someone that they're keeping a really close eye on or finding a way to communicate with somebody that they want to communicate with. That's just what I've been able to pick a person and what I've been able to pick up in my practice. I know a lot of people feel different things and like, you know, I'm a. I'm a fresh, Fresh newbie to this. I don't have all the years of experience, but at least that's what I feel right now when it comes to the death witchery stuff, which I think is why I'm so drawn to it, because I still feel that residual energy of this person's essence in things that I hold, touch, feel like they're bones, like they're ashes. [00:24:51] Speaker C: Okay. Do they also have. Besides the regress, do they also have gone through the grief that they're no longer part of this world? [00:25:01] Speaker A: That's. And I. And now that you say that, I feel like some people, like, it almost feels like. Like they're still grieving. Like that process of, like, what's done is done. I can't go back, you know, in the same vessel or, you know, or I don't know what I would say to these people that I have let down or etcetera and maybe that's. Now that you say that, maybe that's what I am feeling more is like that. That really strong energy of grief. Because I feel like it's so cliche, but I just feel like grief is a very, very strong emotion. And I follow the quote of, like, grief is love with nowhere to go. And sometimes I like, that stays stuck, that type of. Of energy. Now when I touch certain things, like, for example, like, he feels maybe more grief stricken than. Her name is Jane. Forgot my gentleman's name, but Jane doesn't. I know Jane is off. She's happy. She's living life. Like, she. I barely feel her presence in that. I feel more of, like, her essence of, like, who she was. But Jane I don't feel is around as much as how I feel the heaviness of my poor gentleman whose name I keep on forgetting. I need to. Maybe we should start with that. What was his name? [00:26:42] Speaker B: Poor dude. He's, like, not even my keeper. [00:26:47] Speaker A: We're gonna go back into emails. [00:26:51] Speaker B: Melanie says, for some reason, I'm always drawn to old sewing and sewing supplies at estate sales. Like, here's a whole side, maybe conversation when it comes to this. Like, if people are out at the estate sales, like, do you think if they're drawn to certain types of supplies over and over again, is that maybe somebody that they knew that really liked it, that might be hanging around, or is that something else that they could be picking up on? [00:27:20] Speaker A: I think they could be picking up. I'm just like, what Maria does, like, the, the energy of, like, the psychometry. I always feel like I'm gonna say, like, a different word, like some sort of school subject. Like, I feel like psychometry is something you learn in school. Cool. So I. I also believe that, like, the energy of people's passion. So, like, if this person was really, really drawn to sewing, if that was something that they spent a lot of their time in, a lot of their essence in, I feel like it's going to be even stronger. But what I believe that the. The person in the comments is feeling is maybe you're picking up on just that, that energy, especially with, like, sewing, you're using your hands. Like, especially, you know, back in the day, they didn't have the really big fancy sewing machines. Like, this is all like needle and thread by hand. And so a lot of energy and a lot of time and patience, like crocheting is. Is put into that. And I just feel like that might be why you feel it so heavy. Is that someone. That was someone's passion. And that was someone that. That's something that takes a lot of time and a lot of heart and hands on. Like, you are literally rubbing that needle and holding that needle in that thread. [00:28:44] Speaker B: Well, I mean, even in newer times for sewing, even with machines that's still very handsy. Like, yeah, letting your. You know, I don't want to do it. I tip my hat it to the wonderful people that can, like, tackle those machines and do it. And I made a pillow in Homec and I'm like, that's it. I'm never selling another thing. And then my son joins taekwondo and he keeps earning badges. I'm like, stop being good at taekwondo. Now, if somebody wanted to get started in death witchery, like, are there certain critics, crystals or herbs or, you know, like, what would help get them kind of moving in that direction? [00:29:28] Speaker A: There are herbs that are definitely used in spirit work or like on. We'll call it, like underworld type connections. So, like, slow berries are one of the things I want to say. Mullen is one. There's a. There's quite a few different herbs that are connected to working with spirits and also like offerings of type of things. Actually. Jet, as far as a crystal, it used to be worn as a morning jewelry. So it's in by morning, like, sad morning. Morning. That morning time. It is. It was worn during funerary times as a crystal that helped with mourning and was very much circulated in the funerary and death cycle of things. So Jet is a good crystal. If you're trying to kind of feel things. A lot of your stones that are made from dead things. So like Caribbean calcite, which is a buildup of bones and minerals and algae from the ocean. There's quite a few. Oh, vivianite. Vivianite. [00:30:58] Speaker B: I'm surprised you didn't save the night. [00:30:59] Speaker A: Right off the rip. Yeah. Vivianite grows on dead and decaying things. So if you're wanting to just kind of feel the energy of those things before you touch bones and you feel more comfortable touching rocks and herbs, you can definitely work with those energies that way. First is like a. Like a little baby step in. [00:31:20] Speaker B: Be like, I'm surprised Europe isn't just full of even I thanks to Genghis Khan, like that whole continent. Because, I mean, I think I read somewhere like he raised CO2 levels or something because of how many people be killed. Like, this man shifted the atmosphere. [00:31:36] Speaker A: I'm like, go you. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Yay. I mean, that man was doing something. He. He was an overachiever. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Like, sit down. You've done enough. What are some misconceptions? The slide is like, ooh, it's scary that, you know, you would like to clear up for. [00:32:03] Speaker A: So many. The first one is, I think people hear the word death and they're like, ew, gross. That's terrible. Oh, my God. Like, it really. The word death really freaks people out. And what I like to tell people is death isn't just strictly like. Like, people dead. This is like, you have it. You go through deaths every single day. But we call them changes or we call them transformations. Like, it is the same thing. So, like, you losing. You know, you no longer being friends with someone. That is the death of a friend, even though they're still here. A relationship ending, that is the death of a relationship. You. You quit your job and go to a new one. That is the death of a past job. So we go through many deaths all the time. We just give it a cuter name. So the misconception is that people go, death. Oh, you must kill people. Or you must, like, love the idea of death. Like, it's morbid. Because we'll talk like Hollywood really, like, glorifies that word. You know, you pull the death card, and people automatically think they're dying. So I think if we start looking at death as a change or the start of something new instead of just like, dead, gone forever, I think we would look at things a little bit differently. But, yeah, death isn't just like that image of a cemetery in a coffin that everybody thinks that it is. It's so many other things, and we all experience them every. Every single day. [00:33:56] Speaker B: So it's like emo versus goth, right? Yeah. [00:34:02] Speaker A: You got change, which is cutesy. That's the emo, and then you've got just the goth. [00:34:07] Speaker B: So, yeah, we're not sad. We're just pissed. [00:34:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:16] Speaker B: I think that would be a good point out. Like, death witchery is not like necromancy or necrophilia or anything of that. [00:34:23] Speaker A: Right, Right. That's a very good way. Yeah. And it's not like I'm going out killing things. Like, I think people think that, like, oh, you must. You must go and sacrifice cats. Like, that's not at all what this is. It's an honoring of death and not a cause of death. There is no. There is no murder or killing or anything. There's. It's all respect to the process of death and almost, like, getting comfortable with it. And I also think that people think. And I almost. I talked about this briefly in a. In a post, but I Think people think that if you are a death witch or a death doula or you're practicing any sort of death work, that you must be immune to the feelings of death. Like, death must not phase you. That is a complete and utter misconception. It's just because you get more comfortable and with the idea that we all die. Momento Mori. I think you. It's still. I mean, it's still sad. Death is still sad. Like, you'll still see me sobbing for three days. Like, it's still a sad thing that we experience as humans because at the end of the day, we're all human. So it doesn't make you immune, it doesn't make you numb. It doesn't make you look at it as any less than that. Because at the end of the day, death is still sad. Like seeing someone that used to be or a pet that used to be and seeing that the void of them in your life is sad. And I think people also get that wrong. I think they think that you just. You're. You're just numb to it. Like you don't care. [00:36:14] Speaker B: Right? [00:36:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:36:15] Speaker B: Those are sociopaths. Not death. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Not death. Witchery. [00:36:20] Speaker B: Right? Know the difference. Know the difference, guys. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Be. [00:36:25] Speaker C: Aside from the emotions of not having the person in the physical form, you know, missing them and all that. Do you have a great different concept of death than when you were before you started into the death ritualy practice? [00:36:45] Speaker A: Yeah, death used to scare me, like, a lot. Now the only thing that scares me about death is being like, why didn't you know? My biggest concern about dying is not being able to complete the things on earth that I want to do. As far as what happens afterwards, I am more confident in that and at least what I believe in. And just like how everyone else has a different concept of what happens. But yeah, I used to be really, really scared of it. And you can also think types of religions that you're in that try to scare you into what happens after death. So I was also raised very differently at that time. So death was very. It was fire, it was brimstone. It's bad. And were you a good person or were you not? Over time, when I started getting more into, I want to just say spirituality in general, even before getting into death witchery, which made me even more comfortable, I think, getting more in touch with your spirituality and kind of realizing what do you believe? And not what the what, not what Hollywood or not what, you know, religion has kind of forced you into believing and finding your own belief in that. I think Helps, you know, like, like I've explained, like, you know, death is still sad and there are still things, like, I'd probably be a little mad if I didn't get to accomplish everything I wanted to do before I got sent off. I definitely be sticking around. Like, I didn't get to do that. So we're going to figure out how I can do it now from here. So. But yeah, my concept has definitely changed quite a bit. [00:38:29] Speaker C: So, yeah, I've noticed that with a lot of people who are into the spiritual practice that our concept have changed regardless of what practice that we're doing. So it's, it's. It's actually pretty refreshing when you think about it. [00:38:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I think the only thing I fear about death now would be, like, having all of the legal things in order for, like, my kid and everything. I'm like, who's getting what and who's doing what? And is this taken care of? Otherwise, I'm out. Bye. [00:39:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:39:03] Speaker B: I am done with this planet. Thank you very much. [00:39:07] Speaker C: Yeah, well, my thing is I will do the best that I can do to get anything organized. But you know, what if I don't have at it, figure it out. [00:39:18] Speaker A: Right. You know, I. I think if I. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Didn'T have the store to worry about, but like, what happens to it and if it was just like the house in the car, I'm like, good, whatever, like you guys. But I'm like, there's this whole thing that's kind of like its own entity now. And I'm like, yeah, I should probably get a will done. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Yeah, like, you got a second home now, like. Yeah. [00:39:41] Speaker B: And then the, the spirits in that store too, like, they have to be taken care of, you know? [00:39:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:47] Speaker B: That's my only thing that I'd be like, oh, that needs addressed before I piece on out. [00:39:58] Speaker A: What is a good. [00:39:59] Speaker B: Way for people to learn in a respectful way about like, death witchery besides coming and bugging you and asking you a million questions? [00:40:09] Speaker A: Definitely reading there is stuff out there like there it's getting comfortable with. With death. It's kind of like the first thing. So taking a stroll, it sounds so dumb. Maybe to some people, but like taking a stroll in the cemetery and instead of looking at tombstone stones as sad markings that someone is no longer here, like, actually looking at, like, their name. And sometimes some people, like you just type them in and you can see that, like their obituaries and the likes that they lived and more so like looking at them as, this is the life that they lived, this is who they, you know, they were here and getting comfortable with small things like that. Just basically turning your entire Persona of. Of death and dying around and looking at it from a more positive note as to this is the impact that this person has made, or these are the. The descendants that this person has made, or this is the accomplishments that this person has made instead of looking at it as, oh, they're no longer here. So sad. And then there's books. There is the. The bones fall in a spiral. That's more of a necromantic primer, but that does talk about respectful ways of dealing with bones and even human bones in that book, depending on which practice you follow. There's the Pagan Book of the Dead, there's the Witches Book of the Dead, and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. So depending on which thing you kind of lean more towards, I definitely recommend research and reading, for sure. There's a lot of good information out there. There might not be a whole book about death witchery, but there's definitely pieces and parts that you can take out that apply to death witchery. [00:42:10] Speaker B: So I just heard that you need. [00:42:11] Speaker A: To write a book. I know, but I just wrote out. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Of all of that. [00:42:18] Speaker A: I would love to do that. [00:42:19] Speaker B: Here. Here's homework, part two. [00:42:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Talk to the old buddy and write a book. Uhhuh. [00:42:26] Speaker B: Yep. [00:42:27] Speaker A: Maybe he'll help me write my book. [00:42:30] Speaker B: That would be pretty fun if you did, honestly. [00:42:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: Write the whole chapter of, like, how I got healed with the death witch, you know. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Ah, yeah, that would be cool, you know. [00:42:40] Speaker B: So there's chapter three in your book. [00:42:42] Speaker A: I want to. [00:42:43] Speaker B: In the back. This by Melissa. [00:42:48] Speaker C: Do you talk to. Whenever you acquire human bone or whenever you acquire ashes, do you talk to them? [00:42:55] Speaker A: Do you. [00:42:56] Speaker C: Do you do a ritual to invite them in? [00:43:00] Speaker A: I absolutely do. So my human skull that I have every weekend, we. I. He has a little light in his box, and every weekend I turn on his light because it's the weekend and it's our time off. And I let him. I tell him, like, you can be a part of, you know, come chill out with us, like, and I could do that, you know, every day. But the weekend is just the time that it's primary that I do it. And I just let him know that, like, thankful for being here. And I keep the relationship with the bones as far as bringing things home. I always, like, say hi. I introduce myself. I let them know that they're safe here and that they have a home here and give that. Them that sense of security. And I kind of Keep all my bones together, especially my human ones. I keep them all together and I tend to go over there often. Like I'll just touch them every now and again just to kind of pick up the energy. I listen to them just like how people like listen to their crystals or to their own living animals and living things and plants. And I know when they're feeling neglected. I know when they're feeling like when the energy is feeling stale. And it's the same thing like how you would do with like a deity or like with Bob, you know, offering them a drink or water and inviting them like in as far as like you're, you know, you're welcome here and keeping that bond. So yes, I definitely introduced myself. I let them know that they're secure, that you're, that they're safe, that they have a home and a place. And I also set boundaries, like, hey, don't pick on the cat or hey, like let's not flicker the lights. So just like with spirits in general, I also set those boundaries. And I don't care what ghost hunters have said. I have not had any weird activity happen with owning human remains. There has been nothing negative, there has been nothing that I would go, oh, there's some weird paranormal stuff happening in the house. And I ultimately feel like that is because of the bond. And I wouldn't recommend owning something that you're afraid of. I know people that have, what they'll do is they'll go to a lot of people. Even like the bones that I've acquired, people will put like a deposit on them. And once it's kind of sit in their mind that like, oh, I'm about to purchase human remains, they go, nevermind, I don't want it anymore. So I would say definitely be comfortable with what you're getting. Don't just get it because you think it's cool because, because these were once people or these were once live animals and should be treated with respect afterwards. So I'm, I'm just big on respect and don't own anything that you're skeptical or afraid of. [00:46:20] Speaker B: It's almost just like a form of. Well, you know what they say about like living bullies, right? They're, it's their own insecurities that they're lashing out on people. So it's like if you are teasing, like, I'm going to get this weight. No, I, I'm not. Like you just reject it. Maybe not quite bullying, but you are causing in a way like some trauma to that piece and the person who that is by doing that. Let's see any of our friends in the audience. If you have any questions or comments or clarification, now's the time to pick her brain before she is lost and gone forever. Until. [00:46:59] Speaker A: Until you see me in the store tomorrow. [00:47:02] Speaker B: I don't know, like, Marie, do you have any last questions? Because I know Calavera and she, she's got things to do when we're done, so we don't want to keep her late. Probably going and looking up the name of the poor gentleman because that's. [00:47:15] Speaker A: I know I have to do that. [00:47:21] Speaker C: And get an etch in your head. [00:47:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. And then I guess a quick side note to make is like if you are also wanting to get into death witchery and you work with deities, there are deities out there like the underworld deities, like you've got Hades and you've got Persephone, you've got Santa Muerte and there's a bunch of others, you've got Kali that all have some sort of correlation to death. So working with certain deities, if you're not already, can kind of help introduce you to that world too. Sometimes that's a little bit easier for people. And then you know, animal bones are also a good place to start. You can go and find your own. You can go walking in the woods and on a, on a trail and odds are you could possibly run into some if you're looking for them. That's also a really easier way to start. I know people aren't going to go probably headfirst into human bones. And also know your laws. We are allowed to own human remains in Ohio, but there are five other states that are not. So keep that in mind too. [00:48:36] Speaker B: Probably legally obtained human remains. [00:48:39] Speaker A: Yes, yes. You can't disclaimer out there. [00:48:42] Speaker B: Don't go kill your pesky neighbor and be like, haha, I got a bunch of them now. [00:48:47] Speaker A: There if anyone is interested. There are oddities groups on Facebook. There is a very specific way in which like they maybe post one time a month about like a human bone thread. And also human bones are not cheap. They are, you know, they're hard to come by legally. So they, they are not something that is also super easy, easily attainable as far as like pricing goes. So animal bones are a good place to start if you are wanting to do that. And even like in I think it was of Blood and Bone, that book, she talks about different things that you can use. So if you're not a fan of bones using things like twigs, it's you know, from like a dead tree, things like that, that you can also use that type of energy as well than if you're not a bones person. [00:49:48] Speaker B: As you're saying that. I'm thinking of like snapdragons. They're one of my favorite flowers. But when they dry out, they look like little skulls. [00:49:55] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [00:49:57] Speaker B: So that could be a. If you're more of a flower person, like get you some snapdragons and save the heads. When they, you know, die and dry out, you have little mini skulls, very fragile, like, be careful with them. But you'll have little, little skulls from flowers. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Just flowers in general. Wilted flowers. The energy of like, if you're trying to practice like the feeling of hi blaze. You're trying to practice the feeling of a living thing or something that is void of life and something that has life in it. Starting with like flowers and then wilted flowers. There's like a good way to start. If you're trying to like practice and train yourself into how this feels different from this. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Nice. And I mean for people that get flowers all the time for the kitchen table, at some point they're going to wilt. [00:50:47] Speaker A: So, you know, yeah, I can't. [00:50:51] Speaker C: When I get flowers, hubby doesn't like it when I keep the welter flowers. Weeks, months. I just, I said, you know, I go, it was a living thing that was there. It had spiritual essence. I just want to keep it around for a little bit. And he gets really upset. That thing has wilted for months ago. Months ago. I said, just leave, let it go. [00:51:17] Speaker A: Just let me have this, let me have this thing. Just let me have this. [00:51:24] Speaker C: With any, of any kind of practitioner work, I just wanted to put a side note that it is not. Is. Is the practitioner and how they use the tools. What I do, I know I can. It can also easily be used on the dark. But I. It's a. I don't choose to do that. I choose to. To stay with the light and I choose to respect everything. So, you know, debt, witchery is just a word. It's the practitioner and how to use it. That's basically it. And I've always learned, I've learned that from the multiple teachers that I've had. So it's a side note that I just want the audience to know that this is not no dark type of energy. It's just how you respect it and how you use it to help someone. [00:52:16] Speaker A: And I really like that you actually stepped on that. Because. Quick side note, like, for those who don't know, I have a small little side business called Death and Dishonor Witchery where I make ritual oils. As of right now, like ritual oils, they're sold exclusively at Goddess Elite, in case anyone wants to know. And I purposely make them to have a light and a dark side because again, it's up to the practitioner. I'm not going to be the person that tells you not to do certain things. That is up to you. And even if I told you no, you probably do it anyway. So I make things with that dual purpose because death witchery and just like any witchery in general, there is that light in that, that dark. You can use it to heal or you can use it to hurt. So I'm not going to like step around it and say, oh, I don't touch any of that at all. Like, no, like, just like how like a weapon, like a knife is a cutting tool for vegetables or it can be used for something completely different and harmful. So it's, that's also just something that I definitely put out there because again, you hear the word death and people go, oh, death, dying, killing. For some reason, killing is like word that people hear when they hear death. And things do die naturally. And so I just, I think that's actually a really good point to hit on because there is definitely darker things you can do within death witchery. There's also the lighter aspect of it and the healing aspect of it. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Mm. So many ins and outs and what you can do and being creative with anything. Just stay on the legal side spiritually. [00:54:20] Speaker A: Law wise, like, come on. Yep. [00:54:26] Speaker B: You know, that could write the fine line of like justice and retribution. But that's the thing. [00:54:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And even with just like with working with, with them, like darker things in general, you know, I'm not opposed to saying that I have done, you know, darker things and the energy that it takes to put forth energy in darker workings like hexings and cursings. It's, it will, it will deplete you so much of your energy so quickly than working with something that is a little bit, you know, that is lighter, that is fulfilling, that is healing and bringing in good. But I'm also not going to tell people not to, you know, so just know that that's where the, there's definitely a different feeling in energies when you're working with darker versions of things and lighter versions of things. And if you aren't feeling that after doing some sort of, sort of practice or, or spell, then there's something you probably need to, you need to sit Back and, And talk to yourself about. [00:55:41] Speaker B: So self evaluation. [00:55:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. [00:55:48] Speaker B: All right. This was a fun topic. You and I talk about it a lot when, you know, before the stores open. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:57] Speaker B: I feel like sometimes, like, we should have a microphone just to let people, like, list like the fly on the wall. Like, if we're not talking about smutty paranormal, if we're not talking about different witchcraft or, yeah, stupid memes, things like that, all before the store opens. So our topics, like, vary so much and it's like in between the funny memes, like, hey, have you heard about doing this? Have you seen this done? [00:56:19] Speaker A: No, but I want to, like. [00:56:23] Speaker B: And then Maria's like, I'm just over here doing healing you girls. [00:56:31] Speaker A: And yeah, I'm also, like, very open to talking about it with people. I think my biggest takeaway is death isn't. Death isn't a scary word. I think Melissa even saw it flat out at a. At a reading event that I was at. Our little bios were written up and people instantly see death and they go dark. And guess who had the least amount of readings? Me. Because of the correlation between death being something that is just so evil and terrible and dark. Instantly death equals dark. And that is not the case. It's a. It's a scary word that has been just absolutely manipulated into it, meaning what it means. So. But yeah, I think when you have a spiritual relationship with it, it changes the idea and the concept of it entirely. Yeah. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Good party. Good parting words. I feel like the next time you go to that event, you should come in like all pink and like sunshine and rainbows and like when they see you versus what the write up is and be like, see, it's not scary. [00:57:53] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:57:54] Speaker C: I did not see her in pink. [00:57:59] Speaker A: No, you don't see like a pink, like, hat. [00:58:01] Speaker C: And like, if she shows up in paint, we are calling the ambulance. [00:58:06] Speaker A: There's something wrong with her calling the cops. Something's wrong. [00:58:13] Speaker B: But you know, it's funny, my. My son called me over the weekend. He was looking for a specific black button up shirt. And he's like, have you seen it? And I'm like, are you sure it's not in the lined room? And he goes, yeah. And I'm like, you do realize you probably need to pick up every piece of black clothing because you and I both wear all black. If you don't pick up every piece and like, look at it, like, you're going to miss it. And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, I will do the mom thing and look for it on my next day off, you know. [00:58:40] Speaker A: But it's like I'm trying to find this specific black shirt in my pile of black shirts. Black shirts, exactly. [00:58:47] Speaker B: That one specific piece. Like it looks like all the other ones but it's very different in this way and I want it. [00:58:52] Speaker C: It has buttons. [00:58:57] Speaker B: It's the one non Nightmare Before Christmas themed shirt. Like, like, yeah, I think you should show up in like pastels and be like I knew the death witchery here at this event and just like just. [00:59:11] Speaker A: Come in like cotton candy threw up all over me. Yeah, you're there and you're like all. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Got out, you know, have with like the Ouija board and everything, watching these ladies go. So who else you got? [00:59:25] Speaker A: I promise it's not that bad. It's not scary. [00:59:28] Speaker B: Like I promise. [00:59:29] Speaker A: And you know. [00:59:31] Speaker C: No it's not. It's just a word. That's all it is. It depends on the practitioner. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yep, yep. [00:59:36] Speaker B: I, I filled in my pipping duties that day and it wasn't even my event and I'm like. [00:59:40] Speaker A: And even it wasn't even Melissa's event and she still couldn't do it. She was like, I tried like I. [00:59:47] Speaker B: Stepped in and tried to pimp you out and like they were not having it. [00:59:51] Speaker A: This wasn't even a price issue. [00:59:52] Speaker B: It was just a write up issue. I need to talk to the other pimp because she did a bad job of pimping for people. [01:00:02] Speaker A: Yeah, well, cool. [01:00:06] Speaker B: Well thanks for joining and explaining that. A little more fun, you know, for those that have not listened to the previous episode about crystal skulls. You are also like our main crystal skull guru of the store. Yeah, and we joke that we need to start Crystal Skulls Anonymous because I'm sure there's over a hundred between the three of us now that are all in the the keep of us three. Yeah, I don't see that slowing down anytime soon. So if you are a crystal skull fan, go back and listen to that. How to work with them and how to connect with them and help have them help you in your spiritual practice. All, all things to Calavera in that episode as well. How can they find you if they want like any of your oils or to have any sort of questions or sessions with you. [01:00:55] Speaker A: So I, as far as sessions go, I am on the Goddess Elite website. If you go under readers and healers, you'll find me as Calavera kind of towards the bottom. You can book a session with me. I offer readings and then I of also offer crystal skull meditations. As something that I offer out of the store and then if you are wanting to kind of see more of what I do and see maybe if you want any oils if you're not local to the area, I I'm on Instagram really long title Death and Dishonor Witchery. All lowercase. And then I do have a witchery Facebook. It'll be Calavera and then underneath will be Death and Dishonor witchery. You can look me up that way. [01:01:46] Speaker B: Awesome. So guys, if you're a little shy asking questions now, you can always message her and get a hold of her and or if you're local just schedule a session with her and have a closed private like oh my God, I'm scared. How do I do this? [01:02:02] Speaker A: And I love talking about it. [01:02:07] Speaker B: All right, well, thanks for joining us, guys. We hope to see you next next time for the next round of the Healer's Corner. And we thank you for joining us. [01:02:17] Speaker C: Thank you. [01:02:18] Speaker A: Bye. [01:02:19] Speaker B: Bye, guys. Bye. [01:02:31] Speaker A: Sa.