Releasing Energy in the Body Through Massage

[00:00:13] Speaker A: Welcome, everybody, to the healer's corner. We have with us tonight Gregory Nicholas, who is a massage therapist, a reflexologist, a Reiki master, and I'm sure he's got more under his belt that I've either forgotten or he hasn't bothered mentioning. [00:00:29] Speaker B: A tuning fork therapist as well. [00:00:31] Speaker A: See, told you there's. There's more. What else, Greg? What else? [00:00:36] Speaker B: Reiki master, that psychic medium, that's really it. But from the healing standpoint, you did cover it all, Melissa. [00:00:42] Speaker A: Okay. [00:00:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:00:44] Speaker A: And so, like tonight, we wanted to pick Greg's brain about the healing work behind massage therapy. More than just relaxing the muscles when it comes to the spiritual side, the energetic side, why it's important to do that. So, Greg, how long have you been a reflexologist and massage therapist? [00:01:06] Speaker B: About 16 years. For both, I've actually been a reiki master about 30 years. Tuning for therapist about 30. And then the mass of therapy and reflexology, about 16. It's weird how they all go together because sometimes I will use the tuning forks on a massaged Reiki client as well. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Now I know, Maria, you were. You were already peppering him with questions before we went live because you have a lot to ask him. What first question would you like to ask, Greg? [00:01:40] Speaker C: Well, I would like to know the difference between a regular massage and a healing. I mean, do you infuse the Reiki in there? [00:01:48] Speaker B: I. But yes to everything, too. Regular massage can be relaxation or deep tissue now, depending on the client. Okay. But then again, a healing massage is where. Now this is me, where I focus more on the. The Reiki aspect of it as well. But one thing that I do, ladies, is being that I see Auris. I scan the body, what area needs more attention? And I also use my gut. Okay. In terms of what we need to know. But also, it's also not physical, but an emotional thing. Okay. The empath in me picks up on, as I'm sure you guys do as well, with the. Notice the solar plexus. Does someone need more Reiki, more calming, more of a light, gliding, relaxation massage? It's not uncommon to have someone break down in tears on a massage table. They have the emotional release and it has nothing to do with the pressure, deep tissue or anything like that. It just has to do with the emotional release that they're having. [00:02:54] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned because of being able to see auras, are you able to tell by looking at the aura if there's, like, trauma being stored in the body? [00:03:02] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I can. But that is also. Good point, Melissa. Very good point. In terms of. That's nothing but years of experience. Okay. Talking. Because you can see it. And then again, anyone, I'm sure a lot of LMTs out there who are listening to. Well, Maria, you can as well. We can feel it with our hands. Okay. You can see it, but you can feel it. And a lot of times you can grab it and get it away. A lot of sadness I pick up on. I work on a lot of cancer patients in the Akron area. Okay. My massage is free to them. And, you know, they. I pick up on a lot, and a lot of them just want the relaxation, the comfort, the Reiki, the reflexology, the calming energy for that half hour, 45 minutes to an hour just to ease whatever is going on. Many, many, many of them are, in fact, terminal. And so it's just a relaxation. I call it a comfort thing. I call it a comfort session with them from the massage to the Reiki. I even use the tuning forks on there as well. They find it invigorating. During the reflexology session, I will use some lemon oil. The feet have the largest pores of the body, and so lemon oil is invigorating. If you use the lemon oil with some of your lotion or carrier oil, it can help put a little spring in their step for a little bit when they're done. Yeah, it is invigorating, ladies, to the lemon oil. [00:04:42] Speaker A: I mean, on the magical side, it's so, you know, it's disinfectant and that. It's really good at breaking magical workings, too. So the back pocket now. [00:04:53] Speaker B: No, thank you. That's a good point, too. But a lot of them just want to know, want the relaxation from the reading side. I really try and keep it out of that. Okay. [00:05:07] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:08] Speaker C: Okay. [00:05:09] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. They have a lot of questions that are hard to answer and hard in that. I'm sure it's. How long do they have in this that, you know, that's not really something that anybody likes to give, even if, you know, it's like, focus on the healing work and the relaxation rather than, you know, other. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And I tell them, we're here for your comfort, your relaxation, things like that. Yeah. [00:05:41] Speaker A: Now the. The healing massage itself, can it help balance out the chakras for people? [00:05:46] Speaker B: Yes, good point. Good point. Yes, Melissa. Yeah. And we were actually taught that in massage school about the Chakras 16 years ago. But, you know, working on the different chakras, whether, you know, the main ones or whatever, too, you'd be surprised. Attention, you can release. Okay. Especially if you're working up in here, you're working with the heart chakra, the throat. Now this is me working on the neck. You know, you can help release it, loosen it up. Something that may be stuck in their crawling, the third eye. You'd be surprised the number of people that. Because I do a lot of what is called facelift massage. It's nothing more than sinus work. But working on the third eye to help open it up, whether or not I'm infusing it with Reiki or not, it helps the people who are trying, like, the healing or open up their own abilities. You know, they sometimes are heavily furrowed. And so we work on that. And with the crown right in here, this is the largest reflex point of the body. Top of your head. Oh, right here, the crown. And it can help out guys, release tension all the way down. Headaches, migraines, the whole bit. But I also say, and depending on the client, do we have to help open up our abilities or our higher self to be more receptive? And I consider that part of healing. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And now it makes me think of how many people, especially little kids, who always like their head rubbed. And even adults, you know, they like their. Like their partner's fingers ran through their hair or the head rub. And it makes sense if that's such a big point on the body to work with. [00:07:30] Speaker B: Well, look at it this way too, Melissa. The top of the head and the soles of the feet, People love them both. [00:07:37] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:07:37] Speaker B: You know? Yeah. As above, so below, you know, whatever. [00:07:44] Speaker C: Right. [00:07:44] Speaker A: Well. And in this day and age, so many people are stressed. Right. We're stuck in our mind. Work, responsibility, things to do, and you'll carry that tension up there. And we're always running, doing, you know, physical. So the feet take a pounding literally every day, walking and doing. So it makes. Makes a lot of sense. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Valid point. But a lot of times, and I just had this happen yesterday, to your point, I had a gentleman on the massage table who is not long for this world, and he was there. And all at once, he said, I just can't do it anymore. I can't handle the emotions that are coming out. Okay. We stopped. I did Reiki. He had a very large emotional release, and that helped him, but. And I. I kept getting it. This is the mediumship in me. The fear. The fear. I finally told him, I said, you know, it's okay to release the fear. I said, we're just in here. He said, I am so afraid to die. And you know, where that's when we're just there for comfort with the Reiki and things like that. And I'm sure, Melissa, you and Maria both have experienced something like that. [00:08:54] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it's not our job, at least in my opinion, to, you know, tell them to go, but we're there to help, to comfort, to help ease some of that dis. Ease. [00:09:08] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:11] Speaker A: It'S a very. And I want to say that's the type of work that is the most challenging for me to not, like, bring that emotion in for me to stay, you know, calm and centered and help them over and not, like, take that sorrow. So, yeah, just admitted one of my lessons. [00:09:30] Speaker B: Well, and then two. Melissa, Maria, the three of us have talked about this, ladies, to protect. You know, we can't take that on. Now for me, you've heard me say many times, armor up. You know, ladies, like your archangel or. I'm sorry, Joan of Arc. I'm Archangel Michael. There's our shiny armor so that we can't take that on. We have to be as effective for the client we're working on now as. As the next one. Right. And I believe, Maria, you and I have talked about this. Cutting the cords in between. Yep, yeah, yep. [00:10:05] Speaker A: That's kind of a good. Kind of good lead in for Maria, because one of her questions was like, what do you do to prepare yourself or to. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Oh, a couple of things too. And that's a good question because a lot of it is so automatic for me that I just do it, you know, after. You know, after the normal hygiene of sanitization, washing the hands in, the whole bit. There's my bubble, the things like that, the intention for highest and best good help. And I guess I bring in my angels. Seriously, whether you call them Reiki angels, the archangels, whatever, to help guide my hands in the area that we need. And what does this patient need or client need more? It's the same thing. And I armor up, but when I'm done and Maria, you may do this too. We shake it off. [00:10:54] Speaker C: I cut the cords. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Melissa, do you shake it off, too, with your shaman work? [00:11:00] Speaker A: It is more like as I'm working, I kind of hold everything, like, out here, more of like an examine what needs to happen, what needs to be addressed, rather than taking in to worry. I've never really had the fear of, like, things attaching or coming, you know. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:20] Speaker A: But I. I have such a natural protection anyway that it's harder for me to pull it down, you know, so. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Melissa, one thing you taught Me, not long ago, the candle. You know, how blowing it into the candle. I've gotten into the habit, believe it or not, of keeping a candle lit. [00:11:40] Speaker A: Okay. [00:11:41] Speaker B: And what you and I had talked about during our session. I know, just focusing into the candle. So that is what dispelled, cleanse, whatever. [00:11:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:53] Speaker A: To transmute anything heavy or, you know, I don't want to say really negative, but anything that needs to be released is transmuted into the candle as the light that it's giving. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And a big thing, too, ladies, is your intention to me. You said, how do I prepare? You have to be in the right frame of mind. If you go in there because you're having a bad day, irritated with a client, they're not going to get any benefit. And I promise you, they're going to feel it. Okay. We have to be in there holding our. Our positive intentions for healing, whatever they may need, wherever. So that's another part of preparing, along with protection. Cleansing the hygiene area. Having our best protection or intention. What does this particular client need? [00:12:41] Speaker C: Mm. [00:12:42] Speaker B: You know, Maria, do you do that? [00:12:44] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. [00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:12:50] Speaker C: I'm completely focused on the client, whether they're in person, whether it's a client in person. And if they're not in person, if it's a distant, I'm completely focused on their name. And I keep repeating it in my head, and I even whisper it just in case, so I know where the focal point is. And just so my intention will completely go on that person. So I keep mentioning it and in my head and mention it, you know? You know, whispering it. And then I also see the city that they're in. And sometimes I do have vision of seeing the person either laying in a room or on the couch or something, because my focus is just so intense with them. [00:13:33] Speaker B: Right. Oh, I get it. And that makes sense. You do a lot of distance work, Maria. [00:13:38] Speaker C: I do whenever it's needed to. I have done distant work. If someone alerts me that someone's in the hospital, and once I get the permission to go, I go, I go and do the healing. Yeah. And I do respect them enough because some people are sensitive and some people may feel a shift. Some people may see something. So I said, do not be afraid. I'm just here to help. And a lot of the times the people are willing to just go ahead and let me do what I need to do. [00:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, one thing, too. And Melissa, I think you said it, that I stumbled on by accident in my sessions. I keep a CD going by dumb Luck. It was crystal balls. Do you know the number of people who react positively to that? The crystal balls healing. Just plain old crystal ball meditation during a session. Okay. It's like a new level of. And it's been said a couple of times, new level of relaxation, easement, soothing. So that's more of the sound therapy I can incorporate as well. And I do. Aside from the tuning forks. [00:14:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:51] Speaker A: We have a lot of people that come for the, like, monthly singing bowl thing that we have at the store within the net. And, you know, we. At one point we were getting to where we're like, we couldn't take any more. There was no more space for people to. To lay down. And because people are so relaxed, like, we just kind of say, like, hey, bring a yoga mat or a pillar or whatever to be relaxed on the floor. Because most people like sitting up. They get so relaxed. Like, you get worried about them, like, literally sliding out of the chair. [00:15:19] Speaker B: Oh, God, yes. Yes. [00:15:24] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned. And I think, Maria, you even earlier with the question about trauma and everything stored in the body. How. Greg, how do. How would one of their clients know coming in, like, hey, I've got stored trauma or energy blocks that I'd like you to help me with. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Some of them. Melissa have actually said I have stored trauma or blockages to help with. Now that. Excuse me. A lot of times is where we're talking about massage and Reiki together. Some don't. But you can feel it now with me. Again, this is years of experience. You can feel the tension. Okay. And again, talk about your hands doing the walking, you know, very appropriately. Let's get that out of the way. You know, you can feel it to help cut the cords or energetically soothe. Or me as well. Sending colored therapy, you know, do you need now to me, emerald green. St. Patrick's Day. Green is light. It's healing. Sending just like a good green ball into them or a green light. Do they. Is it someone who is suffering from some sort of mental illness? Okay. Which I tend to pick up on the navy blue with that. I sent them pink Pepto Bismol pink as well. So you can feel it not only in the tension, but sometimes see it. And it'll manifest in different parts of the body. Okay. A lot. You know, a lot of people, I've noticed, too, who have more a lot on their mind. Shall I say neck and shoulders, you know, the weight of the world on their shoulders. Yeah. And so I focus there more either with the trigger points of massage, the tuning forks, or even just Reiki to help them release some of that weight of the world I feel on their shoulders. [00:17:18] Speaker A: And I think that's a very common thing right now for people, given the world climate going on. Let's see. Maria, do you have, like, any other questions while I'm scrolling through our list to make sure we didn't. We haven't missed anything. [00:17:35] Speaker B: The one thing too there, Maria, before you get in there, let me interject. Be open to what you may feel. Okay. Now, if I go into a massage or anything, I'm sure you ladies have experienced this too. With 10 things on your mind, it's harder for us to focus, try and go in with a clean, open mind. What do I need to know for this person? It's similar to what I do before a reading or a gallery event. When I ask, what do I need to know for those present? It's like, what do I need to know for this person? What area of healing? And again, not to sell this short feeling, you know, I said the Reiki and things like that. Feeling hot spots, cold spots, things like that. The tension, you know, one thing for us, and you guys, too, we have to take care of our hands. You know, they feel, you know, granted. Can we know in our gut? Yeah, but we can feel. [00:18:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. That, that is, that is the biggest instrument I have, because even if I don't have my crystal wand, it's my hands. And I spent, like about a year just to keep my hands sensitive, so. I know, but, yeah, I used to do physical scanning, and now I just scan my eyes because I, I, I'm like you, Greg. I see the aura or I feel the energy imbalance in the, in the energy field. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you can do it. And Maria, have you noticed into. Melissa, you may, in some of your work, notice that sometimes, and depending on the light and whatever, you don't see it, but you can feel it more. Yeah, yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker C: All my senses heighten up. Sometimes I can smell it, sometimes I can smell it. [00:19:19] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:20] Speaker C: And I don't like when that sense comes up because sometimes, I mean, there is a, a smell to negative energy, to anger, to being ashamed, to guilt, all of that. And it is, depending on the degree and how deep it is, the smell of it could be very, very potent. [00:19:41] Speaker B: Right. And a lot of times, too. And, you know, I always talk to my client beforehand. Any medical conditions, believe it or not, we have to ask medications you're on. You know, if you're on a blood thinner and I'm giving you a massage, it can cause bruising. You know, you're thin skinned. Are you on some sort of a mental health medication that can cause you to zone out? You know, we have to know that too. But a lot of times I notice if I'm working on someone who has depression or something along those lines, you feel sad, I pick up their. And I don't want to say their emotion, but their sadness. That's how I know who I'm working on may have some sort of a degree of depression, sadness, trauma, loss, but they're not ready to talk about it, you know, and it's not uncommon for me during the session now, not right away, but you know, during it because I always start with the face and the neck to tell them, you know, it's okay to release whatever we're okay. Some are accepting, some aren't. And that's a personal thing, you know, because there's a trust thing, guys, you know, with who I have on the table and ladies, you too. It's a trust thing. [00:21:01] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm very picky about who I let do energy work or any sort of. Just because Chair Bear in our audience is asking Maria, is the smell comparable to something we are familiar with? [00:21:18] Speaker C: Yes, for me it will be a point of reference. There is a. There was one particular person, it wasn't a client I came across and I knew this person has some deep seated anger issues. So it was like in compile over the years. So to me it was like a dumping ground. It was like old garbage because I had passed like a dumping ground before and the smell was very, very potent. And so this person, that's how I referred. That's my point of reference. And I tried to get this person, you know, to. I said I could, you know, if you, if you're willing, I could do some, something for you is a little bit different. It's a little bit off the deep end. But I could, but they didn't want to. And sometimes when a person is not ready to release, it could be because they don't know how the degree of anger or they don't is not ready to. It's been a comfort zone for them. It becomes a comfort zone. [00:22:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a safe zone. Yeah, yeah. [00:22:29] Speaker A: They don't know how to be without it. So it's scary. [00:22:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And yeah, one thing too ladies too, with me, me being the medium. I can also tell and a lot of times, and it depends on the client because I can't do this for every client. You know, my cancer clients, again, they know me under my real Name not Gregory Nicholas. So I have to be very careful. And they say, you know, someone has gone some trauma, or if I know them, I may ask them, you know, things start to come through. But that is client driven. If they're open to me giving them a reading and working on the spot. So. And so is here. And believe it or not, like, say I'm working on the shoulder or the neck and I'm channeling or picking up on grandma or mom or whatever, you can just feel it release. Yeah. But I can't do that for everybody. [00:23:24] Speaker A: What is your best, like, success story in doing, like, a healing massage session for somebody? And obviously, like, don't. Don't give out personal details of the. The client. [00:23:35] Speaker B: Oh, right, right. No, this I can tell you. There's a gentleman not too long ago who was on the table, first of all, he didn't want a massage from a guy, which. Then there's nothing I can do about it. You know, that's it. But he agreed, and he was there and he started talking. Well, somehow he knew that I was also a medium, which is fine. And he said. And he started to cry. And all at once, I blurted out a name. I think, was it like Colleen or Cindy? I think, too. That was his late wife who had just died not too long before. And I blurted that out. He needed that, and he just broke down, but he needed that release and he was fine. And since then, he's been coming back. Okay. Because that is a way, in my opinion, not only did I help him physically to ease the tension, any, you know, stress, whatever, but it was a way of his wife, late wife, coming through to let him know she's okay. And he was very reluctant. Yeah. [00:24:44] Speaker C: So he didn't grieve his wife passing, then he held out that grief. Okay. [00:24:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. And you know, Maria, that's a good way of putting it. And I don't want to use the term grief massage because we. We all grieve differently, but, you know, it helped him a lot with her coming through. You know, just let him know. Okay. And that's fine to. He needed it. And he thanked me. Tipped me very well for that, too, which is always a big plus. But. No, very good. So, Melissa, that would have to be, at least in the near past, one of the. The success stories, you know, and. But everyone is so different. [00:25:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:28] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:29] Speaker B: You know. [00:25:32] Speaker A: That'S the great thing about the work we do. Right. It's. It's. We're out here to help people, and when you can actually get to See that, you know, happen in person or, you know, you, you get a message later, you know, like, you know, thank you. And so maybe that's another follow up question. Like has somebody had like a delay release? Like you do the work for them and maybe they're still processing and then that release finally like completely depletes, like later that day or into the next day because their body is just slowly letting go. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, no, I've gotten messages and. Good point, Melissa. Thank you. Messages, whatever. Okay. In terms of. You really helped me. I hadn't slept that good in a long time. Sometimes if we go down the spirit route again, depending on the client and everything, thanking me. You gave me closure, you know, but letting it release in the three of us all know that release, we all grieve differently. Is a very, very powerful emotion. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yes, yes, it's very powerful. And can sneak up on you six months, a year, two years. Like a little bit will come up, you know, so it can be a, A sneaky thing that. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what? I've had an uptick in guys and I don't know if you have as well either request for Raiki. I'm seeing an uptick in that now. You know, Melissa, I'm what, 35 miles south of your store and I'm getting an uptick, you know, and it's for. And surprisingly not a lot of distance work. They want the actual hands on. So people want a soothing, you know, But I'm seeing that and I don't know if you ladies are or not. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Well, I mean, Maria is almost always busy every time she's in the store. So I think a lot of people, again, just the world climate, you know, are experiencing and you know, and, and I think right now, because, and this is my opinion here, maybe a hot take. Our world right now is so digital that people are craving the in person. [00:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:02] Speaker B: And well, and Melissa, to your build on that human touch. [00:28:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:09] Speaker B: And I don't mean in a freaky way or anything like that. Just the other, you know, just the calming, comforting, safe ladies, Safe human touch. [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Chair says. I heard Reiki often makes people break down to tears. Is that true? [00:28:31] Speaker B: I've had it. Not a lot, Maria. [00:28:35] Speaker C: I've had. I had people. It's either their breakdown in tears or. Or they're coughing a lot. Either way, they're purging. Yeah, yeah. [00:28:46] Speaker B: I've actually had it more, to be honest with you, during the massage, you know, because I start face up and then I have them flip and I've had that more with the tears. When they're face down, you're working the lower back, the legs, and then the upper back, upper and mid back. There's just. You can just feel the release, and that's usually when the tears occur. I've had it with Reiki, but definitely more for me with the massage. Mm. [00:29:17] Speaker C: So for me. For me is panic healing. That's. That's when I have a lot, because I go in. I go in deep, and I go in and pull out whatever I need to pull out. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:29:31] Speaker A: You know, I think it's just that healing energy in general, regardless of what modality. Like Maria, your. Your most potent is probably your. Your chronic healing. Greg, like your massage therapy. I, you know, do a blend of the shamanic and the integrated energy therapy. So I think it's just the act of doing that release and, you know, help them and creating that safe space for the tears to happen. [00:30:01] Speaker B: Well, and two to build on that. Guys, our intention now, the three of us, I can only speak for us, our intentions. We. Are there a we at least? Well, me protected. I can't take that on. Okay, we are protected. Like, armored up. Right. But it is our intention then, to help that person. You know, whether it's someone who just got a very, unfortunately, very bad medical diagnosis or someone who is working through grief, through the loss of a spouse, child, or, you know, some sort of significant other, our intention is there to comfort and to make them feel safe. And it doesn't always have to be from my standpoint, deep pressure. It may just be something like, you know, like that to help them release. [00:30:51] Speaker A: Now, I know in integrated energy, and, Maria, I know you did at least class one of it. I can't remember if you did all three. With our dearly departed movie. [00:31:06] Speaker C: Only the. Only. The first one. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Only the first one. Yeah. So at some point in these classes, when you are done doing the energy work, you know, you are taught to smooth the aura out. The. The thought being you're doing work on the body, you're kind of mucking around in that energy field, and you need to smooth it out. Is that something that you find yourself doing, Greg, when you're done doing a massage or tuning forward? [00:31:34] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. You say smooth out. We were taught actually, in massage school, ladies, to do, like, a fluff or a raking. Raking, not Reiki raking, where, you know, it's like a cloud and you're picking it up to fluff it out. Yeah, absolutely. And the theory is it makes them Feel lighter. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:32:00] Speaker B: You know, like after a massage, you know, when you do the strong palpitations on the back, you know that then you go through and do the raking just to help fluff it out. It makes them feel a little bit lighter. [00:32:15] Speaker C: And also, you, with the raking, you're also moving any residue energy that you broke up. That's what you're doing. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah, very true, Very true. And you know where people feel it the most, guys? On the feet. [00:32:29] Speaker C: Yes. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Without touching. You know, here's the sole of your feet, and you're not doing this. Yeah, they feel it more on the feet. [00:32:41] Speaker A: That's fun. I think sometimes the aura in. In healing work kind of gets neglected as part of that process. People want to get right in there. And I'm like, well, hey, there's this dainty little thing around you that our hands have been in and out and moving and, you know, kind of put that back together with everything else. [00:33:03] Speaker B: No, you're right. Good point, Melissa. Valid point. Very valid point, too. [00:33:09] Speaker C: I also. I also pay attention to the energy field around them. I do that with my. With the shaman hypnosis trends and also panic healing. I pay attention to the energy that's completely around them. Because especially in panic healing, we believe that sickness doesn't happen in the body. It stays it. How it starts in your energy field, and then they start moving into the body. [00:33:40] Speaker B: Maria, question for you. Can that be. This may sound weird, that sickness in the energy field. Can that be picked up, like, from this gonna sound crazy. From my energy to yours? If we're talking like we often are, can that sickness then be transferred to your energy by me, by either your empathy or is something like that? [00:34:06] Speaker C: Well, that's. That's when you. You cut the cord. When I go. When I go to a huge public, like, if I, you know, my son talks me into going to a Black Friday, and we're in. Completely in the shopping mall with all of these people. He sees me doing this. As soon as I get in a car, I'm cutting, I'm cutting, I'm cutting with the intention of cutting all the energy. Because one time I did get sick in a shopping mall. I really got sick, and it was this person, and we just made eye contact, and I just felt all the emotion that was going through this person. And I said to my son, I need to get out. And then I sat down for a while, and then I said, I need to go outside now. So I went outside. And then as soon as we went outside, I started cutting, cutting Cutting, Cutting. [00:35:03] Speaker B: You know, and to your point too. And Melissa, I don't know if you and I talked about this or not. Also from the paranormal side, the spirit side. Pick up on the energy or the. What do I want to say? Illness, disease of the spirit, Those who are gone. I can. Maria, you're nodding your head of you, Melissa, have you experienced that? [00:35:25] Speaker A: It has been more of a knowing of what they went through. I don't physically feel it. I have never gotten sick in the public from energetic, but again, like, my, I guess natural armor is so, like, in place. It's more work for me to pull down to get even closer, but it's more of a knowing. And then if I'm interested in something, like if I notice somebody, you know, in a store seems a little grumpy, and I'm like, well, well, why? And I'm like, okay, they're. They're physically uncomfortable. You know, arthritis is acting up or gut problems or, you know, it's like, okay. And that's one thing. You know, some of my employees are constantly learning. And so like, our store is almost like an open classroom as things are going on. And I'm like, but find out why you think that they have bad or negative energy. Go really find out. Just because it feels off to you doesn't mean it's necessarily bad or negative. And go find out. And maybe that's just how they're showing or manifesting outwardly. What? [00:36:39] Speaker B: Good point. Yeah. [00:36:41] Speaker A: And that's always a soapbox that I. I get on. Like, quit calling every random person negative or, you know. But back to the question, because I'm on a tangent. I. I've not like, gotten stick from a person, but Maria and I, we have talked kind of recently about a location and at that time didn't even realize what was going on. I knew the area was off and had even said, like, I have never felt like this down here. I normally love this place, but at night I'm indoors, blinds drawn, doors locked, windows locked. If you heard something outside, no, you didn't. And I'm like, that is not normally how this place is. And it was not long after coming back that a lot of like, autoimmune stuff started just setting off and kicking in. And, you know, I didn't feel it at the time. [00:37:37] Speaker B: Right. [00:37:38] Speaker A: But you know, now, and I'm like, well, great. Just great. [00:37:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:45] Speaker A: So maybe not necessarily a person, but a whole land area. [00:37:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:37:53] Speaker C: Triggers, you know, it can trigger. [00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at an area, Melissa, and you And I had talked about this. I'm not going to say the name. About an hour, 15 minutes west of you. Okay. Where I kept getting like a lot of blood. Massacre. There was a big Native American massacre there again, tasting it, feeling it, picking up on the spiritual energy. Now for me again, that's just another added layer of protection where we focus on, there it is and we're okay. And you know what? Sometimes I do it at night. We probably should all the time. So that I don't let anything affect my dreams. [00:38:36] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I'm constantly cutting cords. [00:38:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well, I do it, ladies, in between a reading or a client. And again, some of my clients, given, you know, the. I told you some of the nature of what I do with massage clients too, I cut. The courts have to. I can't let this one in. Maria, you know this too. We can't let this one affect us. We have to be spot on for the next one. [00:39:05] Speaker C: Yes, yes. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Melissa, do you do that in between customers at the store? I've always been curious about that. [00:39:13] Speaker A: Not. You mean like if I'm working with a client or just a customer or a customer. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Not a client, but a customer. You're working the store at the register. Do you do that? [00:39:25] Speaker A: If I feel like they have left something or like kind of dumped some stuff, you know, I kind of clear it out, dump it out. If I'm just mentally tired, I will grab the crystal tuner and just kind of do that around in the area. It kind of depends how. How mentally I'm tired for the day. You know, for me, like when, when there's something negative from a person or on them, even if it's their own thoughts creating that negative. What was his name, Linus, in the old Peanuts cartoon? Yeah, that little kicking around dust pile like that looks like for me. And if it's on them doing a healing work, like, I'll see it like condensed into a place so I know that's where I need to. To work or if it's something that's just kind of following them, a bad day from work, you know, a fight with a loved one or, you know, it's just kind of following them around and you know that it's like a quick kind of cleanup and be like, okay, I'm glad you were able to release that. Nobody else needs to walk through your. Your muck and you know, or take it home with them. But you know, individually, client wise, part of what I set up in that healing work, which you notice, you know how we talked about the candle. I also set a perimeter up that's almost kind of like a force field that anything that I am pulling out or working or that needs to be released, you know, almost looks like something out of Star Trek where it's hitting like this wall and transmuting and when that person is leaving like they're walking through that and that's a last like swipe through of leaving anything behind and like getting rid of it. So the next person coming in is not going to be sitting or you know, relaxing in that area. It's already been taken care of. I do like the Florida water spitting in between, you know, is more of like a reminder for myself to make sure I am done. Else comes in but chair says if you get a bit scared, what's the worst thing you. What's the worst thing you fear might happen from a negative spirit? Like, like could you be exercised or will it follow you? [00:41:51] Speaker B: I protection. But for me I just. If I start to feel that again, depending on what I'm doing, tell it to leave. There's, you know, my protection. You ladies know me. I'm very big with the angels. You bring in Michael and you tell it to leave. Never had that issue to be honest with you though, you know, to that degree. Tell it to leave. Not welcome. It's not welcome to my energy. I've done that a lot. [00:42:20] Speaker A: I've not had anything spirit wise following me home. Apparently I brought home aliens from Tucson the one year. [00:42:28] Speaker B: What? I never heard that one. [00:42:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I'll have to catch you up on. [00:42:32] Speaker B: Okay. Only you. Only you. [00:42:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And it took me a while to figure it out because that's not normally where I go with it. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:41] Speaker A: And when my light bulb finally went off, I'm like. And you know, I picked up my phone. I'm like, Kayla, why are your friends following me? [00:42:50] Speaker B: Leave it to Kayla. [00:42:52] Speaker A: Yeah. She's like, should I be scared if I feel a bad spirit? Honestly, it's more important present like the confidence and the not because it's. They're like bullies. [00:43:06] Speaker C: Right. [00:43:07] Speaker A: Were when they were alive, they were a bully when they're dead now and you know, given into that or being scared like they're going to feed off of it because you know that's what they're after. [00:43:18] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:43:20] Speaker A: Yeah. So get back with Kathy and do like this experiment. I like things like the paranormal seems to leave or stay far away from me. So he's like anything. And I'm like, yeah, maybe way in the back. But they're not here. Like they don't want to me. Like, I don't know why they're afraid. [00:43:40] Speaker B: Of you. [00:43:43] Speaker A: You know, so I'm like, it's almost boring for me to try and go on any paranormal hunt because they're gonna stay way the hell away from me for whatever reason. [00:43:50] Speaker B: And yeah, really, I. I will, you. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Know, ruin it for everybody else, so. And Marie, did you have any more healing massage energy work for. Were for Greg? [00:44:03] Speaker C: Let me look at my book of questions. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah, really the biggest thing for me, though, ladies, is first of all, the intention. Okay? You were there for the client. Now this is me. We're there for the client. Protect. We don't want to pick it up, but we're there for the client, whether it be physical, emotional, trauma, spiritual, whatever, you know, things like that. It's our intention, but I really believe that if we hold the right intention, we can do it. Now with me, massage and even reflexology, you know, there are some mechanics involved, bodily mechanics that we have to be careful with. There are places to go and ways to do things you cannot do, you know, or we can cause damage too, like a pregnant lady. You do not work here. You just don't. It's that simple. But things like that. So, you know, there are some mechanics there as well, but our intention as well as, you know, our awareness. [00:45:02] Speaker C: Okay, I have one in. In panic healing, or even when I do the shamanic trance, I do. I. I visualize or I do breath work. And the breath work for me in pranic healing is to really expand my. My vessel and my energy field so I can collect all the divine energy to give to the client. Because I'm using myself as a conduit. So I do breath work. I do, you know, three, six, three, six. No, six, three, six, three, six, three. Or I go nine, six, nine, six, nine, six. Do you do any kind of breath work in your practice? [00:45:41] Speaker B: I have somewhat. Yeah. Not a lot, Maria. Not like you, but, yeah. And I find it, you know, that's a valid point. More if I feel the client needs to relax more. Okay. Okay, you know, yeah, good point. Yeah, I do. Not all the time, but, yeah. If I feel they need to be relaxed or if I feel for whatever ability that they need to release. [00:46:09] Speaker C: Okay. [00:46:10] Speaker B: You know, and sometimes too, and I don't want to confuse things, you know, if I do acupressure, like, say you have a good knot on your shoulder, okay. And I'm pressing on it with my elbow knuckle, then that comes in just to help the release. Does that make sense? [00:46:29] Speaker C: Yes, yes. Yeah. Because I only do it for certain clients also that I know that I have, I have a lot of deep seated things that I need to start bringing out and take and removing it. [00:46:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:44] Speaker A: So. [00:46:44] Speaker C: But I do the breath in when I get up in the morning though, before I even do any kind of healing work or even, even readings, I do a simple breath work. But when I actually see a client and I know that I really need to get in there and do something, then I really do the breath work again. [00:47:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it, I. Yeah. And it depends on the client. You're absolutely right too, because a lot of times. And you get. You ladies can help with this too. They can feel us relax. Not. Not only can we as a practitioner feel them, but they can feel us like relax or let go. And it will help them, if that makes any sense. [00:47:33] Speaker C: Yes. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:36] Speaker A: A lot of. Most people are more intuitive and picking up on the room more than they realize. So making sure that we're staying calm, cool, collected and in that calm healing space. So they can stay there. [00:47:50] Speaker B: Right. [00:47:50] Speaker A: If they're feeling you, helping release that energy, that helps them continue that release in their own healing work. [00:47:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you're right. And one of the things we're taught in massage school, you make the client feel safe and secure. Now, whether that is a lot of blankets on a cold day, the heated table, you know, on this time of year, less humidity, whatever, we do what we can. But you make them feel safe so that they don't tense up, you know, because, you know, with us, we're all three on the same page. It's an exchange of energy. They have to be, we have to make them feel safe and welcoming. Yeah. [00:48:36] Speaker C: For me, sometimes I, even since a client came to see me, I invite their ancestors to come in because that's what I do. I do that with the shamanic, you know, when I do shamanic. And so, so I invite your ancestors. I really use that when I, I'm doing distant healing. I really ask for the ancestors, their answers to be present. My, My guys, my guys and my ancestors are securing the area, but their ancestors are, they're more than welcome to help. They're more than welcome to give comfort. And so that's what I do, ask for their ancestors to be present. [00:49:16] Speaker B: Do you ever get resistance from their ancestors? [00:49:20] Speaker C: No, no, no. [00:49:24] Speaker B: I like that idea. [00:49:25] Speaker A: Now, Greg, have you found that like certain emotions or trauma, like certain specific kinds are always stored in the same spot on the body, regardless of the client, or do you find that it moves, depending. [00:49:39] Speaker B: No, I have Melissa and affairs to the heart now, not love. And here's where being a male massive therapist, have to be careful here now, on a lady. I will not go here. I just won't. I'll work on your back there. Okay. It's just an ethic thing too, but affairs of the heart. Now, this could be trauma from. Usually I have a suicide. Someone you lost very near or sometimes a little bit of guilt on their part for shoulda, woulda, coulda. But I can. On guys, I can feel it here, which is fine. But the ladies, if I do it, has to wait till they flip over. It's just an ethical thing. But that's one of the spots right there. Another is a lot of the pressure again, weight of the world, base of the skull, you know, the neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you work on that. You know, you work on it. You stretch, help them release. Usually a shot of Reiki in there too. [00:50:42] Speaker C: Yeah, nice. [00:50:43] Speaker A: What is it called? You can heal your life by Louise Hay. And you know, she talks about certain points of the body to help release certain things. And a lot of it makes sense. It's a good book. But I. I find for me sometimes that guilt or that depressive feeling or, you know, we'll be in different places depending on the actions that were happening that caused that to set in. It's still a good book, but I just, you know, for me, it works a little bit different. And I wasn't sure if you've ran into that. [00:51:18] Speaker B: Yeah, one thing too that I have to be careful with on both genders is working the solar plexus right above the navel. That can be a very, very sensitive area. Okay. From a massage standpoint. And so if they're real tender, that's usually a Reiki thing because there can be a whole lot of issues there, guys. Anything from digestive to seed of emotions to diaphragm, things like that. We have to be careful. But that can be a good place too. But usually for me, it's up there. [00:51:47] Speaker A: Any questions, Maria? [00:51:50] Speaker B: No, he answered my guys, I'm yours here for another few minutes. [00:51:55] Speaker C: So ran into, you know, so if somebody were to. Would like to start doing this. Start with massage or energy work first? [00:52:10] Speaker B: I would say the energy work first. Just from the standpoint of it's easier in Ohio. Massage is a medical license. Yes, I'm a licensed massage therapist. I answer to the medical board, not cosmetology. Okay. So for the energy work and let's face it, massage, you know, There's a whole variety of issues. Energy work, you can do it clothed, you can do it in a chair, you can do it distance, you know, I would advise anyone there to tune in to see if they like it. You know, that's. That's me. [00:52:51] Speaker A: And the fun thing with energy work, there are so many different kinds. [00:52:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:56] Speaker A: So. And almost all of them that I can think of always offer a hands off, no touch. You know, so, you know, if you're somebody that you're not comfortable touching others for whatever reason, you know, social anxiety or what have you, you can do it across the room, 10ft away, or like Maria, which. Maria, social anxiety is not your issue. But to do a distance after, you know, work at night, when, when you have that time to calm yourself, let go of your own workday and help the client. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Yeah. To your point, Melissa, I. If you have someone, you have a client who is just, for whatever reason, trauma, whatever, cannot be touched, the energy work. Okay. For again, for whatever reason, you cannot touch them or they just, they don't want someone close. And also, many, and this is not uncommon, a lot of my terminal patients, you can't touch because they are so tender. Okay. Now for Reiki or massage, you can do what's called a feather massage. Just really, some of them can't stand it because of their. The pain they are going through. And so me, it would be the energy work where we can be a couple inches above or even distant, too. That would be the safer route if you're going to do it from a comfort modality. [00:54:27] Speaker A: Good point. [00:54:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm just going to say some of my hospice patients, I can't touch. [00:54:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:54:37] Speaker B: You know, they need comfort. They deserve the comfort as much as anybody else, ladies. But you can't touch them for whatever reason. And we have to respect that. [00:54:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's. That's part of that being in a safe space for them or supplying that for them. And, you know. [00:54:54] Speaker B: Yeah, Melissa, I'm right there with you. On to me. You ladies may think different. Energy work first, to me, it's just, it may be easier and you may be able to help a larger group of the population. [00:55:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I do agree with you there. Some people would ask me and I said whatever is being pulled to you. But here's a suggestion. Energy work will actually get you into seeing beyond the, the vessel and feeling beyond what's, you know, in physical. [00:55:35] Speaker B: Yeah, excellent point, Maria. Excellent point. Yeah. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Well, a lot of energy work helps strengthen that intuition, so, you know, expanding that perception and, you know, you do it. It's like a muscle. The better you get at it. So. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Yeah, you know. No, you're absolutely right. [00:55:57] Speaker A: You know. Well, your shoulder stiff. Because, you know, whether or not you say that out loud or you just go into the energy work. Now, have either one of you in working with a client, like, let's say they go in for the stiff shoulder, but you. You start your work and you find other things that they haven't addressed. And do you go ahead and start working on that, or do you say, this is not why you came into me. I'm leaving that for. For later? [00:56:23] Speaker C: No, I go. I go ahead and do it. [00:56:26] Speaker B: Me too. I'm there. I say, they're coming in for shoulder. I'll start here. But then it's weird, Maria, I don't know about you, how your hand is just lead. It can be down here, the back. Yeah. And you know, and I, I explained, you know, to the client what we're doing because. And from my standpoint, from the massage standpoint, referred pain. Just because it's sore here doesn't mean that's where the problem is, you know, or big, big example, ladies, carpal tunnel right here. Usually the problem's here. [00:56:58] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:00] Speaker B: When Jan had her carpal tunnel issues years ago. I mean, here. But you work right there to release. [00:57:10] Speaker C: Yeah. Cause if I have somebody with digestive symptoms or what's going on with them, I'm working on the navel. I'm working in the basic. I'm working on the solar plexus front and back, because. And then the pancreas and the. And the spleen, because that's all around the area. So it's not just their digestion, is everything else is all connected. [00:57:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, it is. [00:57:39] Speaker A: I mean, I think I escaped that only in that most people, when they're coming to me, it's almost like, you know, hey, they're just coming for energy work. I don't ask, hey, is there something specific? I kind of leave that opening. So what needs to be addressed is what's going to be addressed, what presents itself, what shows what, you know, I'm picking up. Obviously, that is the most important thing for today. So that's what we're going to work on. Rather than feeling like, oh, we can only do this because that's what they said. [00:58:10] Speaker B: No, no. Now it's different too. Let's qualify that, ladies, too. If someone has a prescription for a medical massage somewhere, and it is only. And this is a whole nother issue, insurance only says you can work Here to here. That's all you can do because that's all they're going to pay. [00:58:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:27] Speaker B: Okay. That's a very real issue, you know, but that's a whole nother topic. But for us, you know, we can scan and do whatever. A lot of people come to me with just specific issues. Lower back, the glutes, the feet. I'm seasonal. What goes on, too? I'm going to have a lot of people with lower back probably in September, October, when they have start raking leaves and have a change in footwear from sandals to heavier shoes. Every year. Every year. [00:58:58] Speaker A: Have it, like, through the winter because of shoveling. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Mm. I'll get it in the fall, Melissa. For leaves. I'll get it after the first heavy snowfall. Not only with arms and feet. Lower back from shoveling, you know, in the spring, I'll get it all over feet because of change in footwear. Neck, shoulders because of mowing, trimming trees, whatever. It's. Every year, you can. You can tell when the seasons are going to change by what's hurting on folks. [00:59:29] Speaker A: Some of us that manage to mess ourselves up sleeping. [00:59:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Yeah. [00:59:38] Speaker A: I have that ability. I do. [00:59:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I'm tending to put this arm up, so a lot of times I'm sore right in here. Yeah. [00:59:51] Speaker A: The fun stuff is getting older and things getting quicker to be unhappy in the body. [00:59:59] Speaker B: Yes, ma'. Am. [01:00:02] Speaker A: Right. [01:00:02] Speaker B: Well. [01:00:03] Speaker A: Well, thanks for joining, Greg. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Oh, my pleasure, ladies. Good seeing you both again, and thank you. Look forward to the next time. [01:00:10] Speaker A: Yeah. So thanks for joining us, guys, and we hope you can catch us next week for the next episode of the Healer's Corner. Bye, guys. [01:00:22] Speaker C: Bye, Sa.