Jaclyn from Lost Souls

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Healer's Corner podcast with your hosts, Melissa Wiles and Maria Cerna. So welcome everybody to another episode of the Healers Corner. And we have a very fun special guest with us tonight, Jacqueline, who is one of the co founders of Forsaken Souls. And when I heard about you and Forsaken Souls, I was so elated. I'm like, cold case, true crime and paranormal stuff. I'm like, I'm in. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah. It becomes addictive, that is for sure. [00:00:47] Speaker A: So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and kind of how you, you know, got into then Forsaken Souls and informed it. [00:00:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So I started my paranormal journey as a child growing up in a very malevolent home. As a kid, I quickly learned there were things beyond our naked eye that just didn't make sense. And while the rest of my brothers and sister were terrified, I was kind of like, oh, what is this? I need to figure this out. So I quickly grew quite a passion for it as I got older. I never got away from it. I actually leaned into it more. So I joined my first paranormal team at 17 years old while I was also going to college for law enforcement. And as my career sort of evolved, you know, I always say I've been investigating paranormal since back when you didn't tell people you were investigating paranormal because you get like locked up for being crazy. And then going into my career, it was even more taboo. You just didn't say anything like that. Especially in the field, there were very few people that would ever speak about anything paranormal. Because, you know, in law enforcement or in any kind of investigative field, or even security, it's. It's very black and white. You either did it or you didn't. There's evidence or there's not. There is no kind of in the middle. Right. So for me, knowing kind of both sides of the coin, it was something that I kind of would bounce both areas of expertise off each other, use a lot of my investigative tools for my career in the field for paranormal and vice versa. After about 12 years in the field, I said, you know, how can I combine both of these passions that I have to where I can do something good? And that's when I founded Forsaken Souls and decided I'm going to try to solve cold case murders by not only reinvestigating the crime, but seeing if I can make contact with the victim and see what we can figure out. I did it for years with just myself. And then I officially formed forsaken souls in 2017. And me and my partner kind of just went around doing it by ourselves for a long time. And then we met Irene, our psychic medium, our original psychic medium. And it was kind of like the three of us were the three musketeers. We hit it off. And as soon as people started realizing what we were doing, we were getting letters from all over the country. You know, my family's, you know, got a missing person or cold case murder we want you to investigate. And we quickly realized how many lives we can change by bringing those two together. And then one thing led to another and it was like we have tons of cases and not enough time anymore. So being able to take both of my passions and combine them and do something good is one thing. But that feeling you get when a family member says to you, I can't thank you enough for bringing me closure, there are no words to express that feeling. There is a very near and dear. One of my very first cases that I ever investigated that we were not only able to uncover the person that murdered the victim, but also uncover a whole other crime in the midst of it. I still am in contact with all of my families that I've worked with till this day. And I always would tell my families, until we solve that crime, until we give you something that brings you peace, we won't stop. I've got cases that are, you know, at this point, over 10 years old that we're still looking into. And I think that that kind of brings a little bit of closeness. I've become friends with some of these families, I've become friends with some of the victims family members that, you know, I consider dear friends today. It's a incredible feeling when you can change someone's life for the better and give them a little bit of peace in your heart. And so it became a mission when we realized just how many families are out there that need help. How many families have been turned away by law enforcement or their crimes or missing persons have fallen through the cracks and nobody's doing anything. So that's where we kind of said, we're going to just keep at this and wherever it takes us, it takes us. And if we can solve one case, I'll take one case and I'll be happy. But to date, we've solved more than a case and we still have a very active case law going. [00:05:23] Speaker A: So what made you decide to be like, we should make a show? [00:05:31] Speaker B: Actually, I didn't decide that. I was approached by a streaming network that said, hey, would you mind if we made a show about you. We think this is incredible. This has never really been done before. And at first I was like, no, it's a very private thing. At the same time, you'd want to give these families their privacy and their confidentiality and be respectful of that. Because the one thing I always tell my team is this isn't just like going out to a haunted location and going in and investigating ghosts. Right. This is a whole other aspect of people's lives. This is the worst moment in their life, and they're putting their trust in you. However, that being said, when I realized this was a way to get us out there more from a national standpoint, to be able to reach more cases, I changed my mind and I said, if I can reach more families by turning this into a show and documenting what we're doing, and this can take our mission farther. That's when I agreed to do it. So it was worth it. It's definitely worth it. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Now. It's not quite released yet, so when be able to watch these. [00:06:40] Speaker B: We are refilming the pilot episode February, last week of February. And then we'll be filming a pilot or an episode to two episodes each month. And the goal is to get it released for summer to between summer and fall of 26. [00:06:57] Speaker A: Okay, so not that long. [00:07:00] Speaker B: No, not that long. Not that long. [00:07:05] Speaker A: You know, you're talking about all your cases, and I'm a true crime fanatic. And. And I think I was just watching something. I think it was called, like, the murder book, and they're talking about, like, their book. Do you have something similar now that is a civilian that you keep with all of your stuff in it? [00:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah, actually, every case that. Every murder case that the police investigate, a murder book is created. So the murder book is actually created within the detectives that are doing the initial case investigation. And it's basically a binder with every bit of that case file in it from crime scene photos, autopsy photos, witness statements, specialist reports, coroner reports. Everything you can get from that case is in that book. Most people can't get their hands on that. However, Kama, we have been able to for our cases. So we do have quite a few episodes that will show people pieces of the murder books in our episodes. [00:08:07] Speaker A: As I say, I think, well, correct me if I'm wrong, your past experience, you know how to get through that red tape or how, you know, what forms to file, what to be like. Now, that was a BS response of no, here's why you need to give it to me. [00:08:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And I'm also a Licensed private investigator. So I have a little bit more room with that as well. So between the two, we've been successful. Although I've been kicked right out the door by many police departments as well. So believe me when I tell you I've had my fair share of having doors slammed in my face. [00:08:41] Speaker A: Maria, do you have questions I can hog, Jacqueline? [00:08:49] Speaker C: Yeah, well, you pretty much asked because I was like, how can she get a hold of these murder books? This is something that it's the police officers, but, you know, you just pretty much explained that. So do you let the family know that this is going to, you know, if they are given the permission to have the case aired? [00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah. With every case that we have, we don't do anything until we do a full intake with the family, get full agreement to represent them as investigators. We disclose everything. We don't keep anything from them. And before anything goes to air, we always review it with the family as well. A lot of families can access the murder book once the case goes cold. So they've. A lot of the families have already seen the murder books to their loved ones file. So it's not as much of a shock when you're reinvestigating everything. But we don't do anything without getting full permission from the family, getting them to sign releases and apparent releases, both to protect them and ourselves. [00:10:01] Speaker A: Okay. [00:10:02] Speaker C: Okay. Another thing into the woo stuff you do, you said that you have your gifts that came in when you were a child, that this was something that was really fascinated you. So do you use your gifts when you go in to do the investigation? And does the spirit of that person, that victim, talk to you? [00:10:32] Speaker B: It's very funny. I have a incredible gift of almost like dream walking. I call it my dream walking. Right. So I have spirits that come to me in my sleep all the time. And then between what I learned from reinvestigating cases from a criminal standpoint, kind of allows me to have a little bit of a leg up, me and the team. A leg up to kind of know which avenue to take it. From a paranormal standpoint, I have had incredible audio captures. We use a remarkable tool that we refer to as our portal. We've had spirit come through in the actual voice of the victim. It is mind boggling to hear these voices. Not like you're using kind of an SB7 spirit box. I mean, literally their voice, what they sound like when they were live. And then in addition to that, we've not only have myself had, you know, with the naked ear, our spirits talk to us. But our psychic mediums, we have two, both Greg Nichols and Irene, have had incredible responses with spirit. So we kind of, the four of us, and then our investigators, we kind of become a beacon altogether. There's so many times where when I'm with Irene, spirit becomes ten times more strong and prominent, where they'll follow us around for weeks before we even go to locations. You know, Irene will call me up and say, hey, I have someone sitting in my living room. I don't know if this means anything to you, because we don't disclose any case information to our psychic mediums whatsoever. They know nothing about where they're going. They know nothing about the case they're going to be investigating. Every bit of it is 100% shock and awe. Live recording the first time and only that time. And I've had several cases where she'll call me and be like, I have this person in my living room, and they're saying this, and I'm sitting there like, oh, boy, that's our victim. That's our victim, like, already talking to you. Two weeks before, we're heading to location to film. So spirit is incredible. And when they want to be heard, they will find any which way to make it happen. Whether it's in my dreams, whether it's in Greg or Irene's ear, or whether they're throwing something around the room, they have a way to make themselves known. So. So you will be shocked at what you see in. In our episodes. [00:12:54] Speaker A: Have you had a spirit come to you first before the family? [00:12:59] Speaker B: Yes. In fact, just recently, we had a spirit. There was a case that I was going to look into. The family's attorney advised against it. They didn't want any paranormal ties to the case at all. So they shut us down immediately. Which is fine that that happens. We. We understand that not everybody gets the paranormal side to it. Since that family has turned us away. That spirit has shown up to us at breakfast at Cracker Barrel, at events that we've been at. She tends to follow us around. She's come through on our portal. The person that was killed with her has also come through. It's almost like she is begging for us to figure out how to make her family agree to let us investigate. And it breaks my heart because I won't take a case unless the family agrees to it. I just won't do it as much as it kills me inside. But we've had spirits come to us before. Even their family asks for our help. And it's led me to cases, and there are cases. I've reached out to families and said, hey, I'm aware of your case. I'd like to see if I can help you. And so we've had. We have two cases in season one that, that actually ended up like that. [00:14:23] Speaker A: So you said the other person that was killed with her has also come through. Have you tried reaching out to that family as like maybe a backdoor into the first one? [00:14:31] Speaker B: I have not been able to find any family info on this individual at the time of their murder, which is going back like 27 years. There was no documentation on family. There was one living relative who's no longer alive, so. [00:14:46] Speaker A: Oh, man. I was hoping, like. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right now. [00:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. She comes through quite often. Quite often. [00:14:58] Speaker A: Well, maybe after the series starts airing and hopefully if they watch it, they'll see it be like, you know, we've changed our mind. [00:15:08] Speaker B: And that is true. We've had just from Aaron, promos and reels. We've been able to get our mission out there and had families that didn't know about us before come forward and then also families that weren't too keen on it at first come back towards us. Right now I've got over 132 cases where people have reached out to us for help. And sadly, a lot of them are like Midwest, west coast. Which is one of the biggest reasons why we started to try and raise money to be able to go farther and help more families. It's heartbreaking to see how many families out there need that, need help, need somebody to just be that beacon for them. [00:15:52] Speaker A: Part of me, right, you. You hear about the armchair detectives, the. The Internet sleuth you have like somewhere on a website or something like, here's what we're investigating. We've hit some roadblocks, you know, and just let Joe Schmo, you know, who's up at 3am with insomnia, go, you know what, let me do some Googling and, you know, see who and what we can find. [00:16:20] Speaker B: Not for the cases that we are documenting for the show, simply because of the. The releases that we have to have to be able to include people in the investigation. That being said, prior to it ever becoming the idea of a show, when it was just me and my partner, we would tap into any avenue we could to get information. I have many times knocked on random doors for help. In fact, there was one case that we were investigating and I randomly knocked on the people's door and said, hey, listen, I know this is very bizarre, but I need to borrow your house. For a night because the murder took place here and I need to get into this building. And they just looked at me like, excuse me, what did you just say to me? I'm like, I just need to get my medium in here for like an hour. Just give me an hour. I'll send you out to lunch. You know, they're just like, excuse me. So we've had some more than adventurous and outside the box ways of trying to get information, for sure. [00:17:25] Speaker A: I've been like, yeah. So I'm. I'm actually kind of hungry and I want to steak. So. [00:17:35] Speaker B: Yeah, believe me, it's. We've. We've had a. We've had some really interesting bloopers occur on our cases, including being chased away by priests. And I could tell you stories for days about some of the things that have happened. And we used to work prior to getting into the cold case thing. We did a lot of house calls and, you know, dark entity cases where people will call us for not so nice things in their home. And once we got into cold cases, I had a priest that contacted me and said, you need to let these spirits rest. You're. You're. You're upsetting them. And I'm like, father, how would you know that? How would you know that? So we. Not everybody gets it, not everybody agrees with it. But that being said, we have also grown quite a huge following and our support system has grown rapidly and nationally, and it means the world to us because if, if we can just get one more case under our, you know, one more. One more family to help, if it's one more positive note, whatever we have to do to help as many people as we can, you know, we are, we're not stopping anytime soon, so whatever we need to do to get there. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Now you're. You mentioned your support system. Do you have, like, the energetic healers to help either the land, the spirit, the family, if they're open to it, and like counseling if needed to. To help not only the family, but I'm sure you guys have run into some information and after viewing and reading over and over, it can take a toll. [00:19:28] Speaker B: Absolutely, absolutely. Yes. We do. Not only do we have healers that we work with, but also we have access. So I have a question. A few different consultants that work with us, retired FBI agents, consultants that are for news stations, and also psychologists that are available to families that need to speak, you know, that need to kind of heal from reopening the cases. We have cases that are super, super old and cases that are, you know, 10 years old or 8 years old. And one thing I've learned is it doesn't matter how much time passes. That is one very important part of that journey is the healing process to help both spirit and family move forward. [00:20:16] Speaker C: Do you guys gather together before you go into a case? Some kind of protection, some kind of a prayer, some kind of affirmations? You know, everyone has their own little role, but do you guys come together as a collective, you know, just to the energy before you go in there, you know? [00:20:38] Speaker A: Yep. [00:20:39] Speaker B: Before we go into every case, I always will start out with kind of a white light prayer. As well as cleansing, we, in addition to cleansing ourselves, we also cleanse our equipment, because I've had some insane things happen there, but yeah, we always make sure that we protect ourselves and do full cleansings both before and after. Quite a few of the team members have several different blends, blessing prayers that we do before investigations. [00:21:13] Speaker A: Nice. Now, are you noticing as time goes on that some of law enforcement are a little more open to the psychics helping than maybe years ago, you know, when go away? [00:21:30] Speaker B: Absolutely. I would say six years ago or more. I was very quiet about what we were doing because I was afraid to upset the departments that we were reinvestigating the cases. I was afraid to put a stigma on us. But as time went on, the more we showed people what we did, the more we let people in on what we were doing. Instead of keeping it so private, more people came around. In fact, we had a police department that initially wanted nothing to do with us. And my FBI consultant said, let me ask you a question. This case is 27 years old. He says, I spent 42 years in the FBI. There's nobody that gets it more than me. But if they lead you to the evidence you need to close this case, what do you care where it came from? What do you care? And you kind of saw his eyes light up and he was just like, all right, fine, I'll hear you out. Not everybody's going to get it. Not every police department is going to want to work with us. And when we do uncover things, like in our pilot episode, our pilot case, we uncovered stuff that they didn't have. They kind of took it as a slap in the face. And that's not what we're trying to do by any means. I've always, even in my career, the more people that I've been able to reach out to for help, the more avenues I can go. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing it for families and other people. I will take help from anybody anywhere to solve the case and kind of having to explain it from that aspect and seem to open more doors. I don't ever expect everybody to just, you know, flip a switch and be 100% okay with it. There's a lot of people that are involved with cold case investigations that do just cold case investigations that think psychic mediums and paranormal are complete taboo. That being said, there are a lot of families that have no one else to help them. And we are their last resort. And in that sense, I kind of go into the I don't care what anybody thinks mode, because I'm not there for anybody else. I'm there for the families. [00:24:01] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned a piece of equipment that you refer to as a portal. Do you have like, like certain pieces that if you're willing to share, like, we always have this. This never fails. This piece over here is great for, you know, voice recording. This is great for pictures because we're getting some questions in the, in the audience of like, hey, what's a list of equipment? [00:24:23] Speaker B: Yes. So our portal is our bread and butter. Anybody that's, you know, followed us knows exactly what I'm referring to. [00:24:34] Speaker A: It. [00:24:34] Speaker B: It tends to captivate people. It is quite literally the most incredible piece of equipment I've ever used in 27 years of investigating. Can't tell you how it works. I'm not the builder of it. But I can tell you this. When you hear spirits coming through there in, in Arabic, Mandarin, British accents, American accents, and you are listening to them say things to you that quite literally should not be coming out of anything. And it's not hooked up to the Internet and it is not hooked up to a radio. And you have no clue how this is happening. You get to a point where you're like, I can't debunk this. When they start saying things like your name and repeating what you did three hours ago before you were investigating, there is no way to explain it. If you get into like our, our TikTok page or our Facebook reels, you'll see us using is incredible. We always use the portal on every investigation. When we do our paranormal sweep. Before we bring our psychic mediums in to do our baseline investigation, we have some other pieces of equipment that we absolutely love as our go to. We have Robin Marie Murphy, our paranormal equipment builders. They are inventors. They make the best equipment. So a lot of pieces are custom built. We have one item that he created. It's called a trigger tray. It is absolutely brilliant. And then we use some of the old school stuff. We use, you know, REM pods. We have our flux device, or we have a couple different, you know, tripwire pieces. We have quite an arsenal of equipment and sometimes we use the most basic things like a flashlight, um, whatever. I sometimes find that there are spirits that have their own preference. You know, they might hit on one device and touch not one of the other pieces of equipment that you think would be the best way to communicate. So we kind of never know what we're going to get when we go in. So you roll up with 25 cases of equipment and whatever works, works. But the portal is always on at all times. [00:26:49] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned your TikTok and everything. So what is the name of your, like, social media so our friends can go find you and watch and art and watch episodes later? Yeah. [00:27:02] Speaker B: So we have our Instagram and our TikTok are ForsakenSouls PRG. You can also find it by just typing in Jacqueline Loren. It comes up either way. We have two Facebook pages. One is our fan page group that's private, and one is our public group Speaking for the Silent is one group. And then for Seeking Souls, Paranormal Research is a second group. And then my Facebook page at Jacqueline Laurent. And we also recently just put together YouTube to kind of start airing pieces of our. Our. Our reels from. From filming. So hoping to get that off the ground a little bit more as we start filming more episodes. [00:27:45] Speaker A: So another question is like, do you ever get scared that if you give police information that it's just too good that you might become a suspect? [00:27:53] Speaker B: No. But I have had cases where there are criminals that are still walking this earth and have made threats. That is the only thing that has ever. I don't want to say scared, but I'm very cautious about it. I had to turn one case away because it was. As I started investigating more of the criminal case, I realized very quickly that this was going to put the team in danger if I continued on. And so I had to back away from that case for the simple fact that this involved far too many active gang members to that I was not willing to put them at risk. So there are cases that cause me to be very cautious and sadly, you know, I will never put my team or the families at risk. So I have had to turn cases away because of it. But I don't get scared of the spirit side of it. Is there a case that still haunts many cases? Every case that I haven't been able to solve still haunts me because I Feel guilty in a way. I refuse to believe there's not something out there. You know, there's a lot of people that sometimes don't even know they know something. And that's why it's so important to continue to keep releasing information and keep finding more avenues and keep investigating. Because sometimes it's just one lead that someone may not know they know until you might say the right trigger or help them remember, you know, that key piece of information. They were like, wait a minute, I saw something strange that day. Maybe this will help. There's not one case that I have taken on that I don't sit and keep right here at all times. Because it's. It's heartbreaking dealing with families and. And, you know, working on a case for a year or two years and still having nothing more. Because sometimes cases are just too old or anybody that was around is no longer here, or certain departments aren't willing to give you that little bit that you need to help them. It's kind of a game of Russian roulette at times. [00:30:20] Speaker C: The cases that you are not going to risk yourself and your group. Do you tell the family why you cannot continue on or why you have to back away from it? [00:30:34] Speaker B: Because. [00:30:36] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure that's a very hard thing to do because these people were looking up to you and your team to help them figure out, to get the unanswered answers. [00:30:51] Speaker B: I'm very, very upfront with all of our families. I personally don't ever stop looking in the cases, but there are a handful of cases that I've said, I'm not going to put this on the show or I'm not going to have the team involved, because if it's me, that's one thing, but I can't do that. I can't put anybody else in that kind of danger. And I am upfront with the families about that. And it is hard. But they also understand, too, because that's also part of the reason why the case isn't solved. [00:31:26] Speaker A: What. What are the. I guess, like, percentages right now? Now it's like, how many of the past victims, your spirit know who did it versus the ones who are like, I don't know, they hit me from behind. I've got nothing for you, but please help. [00:31:41] Speaker B: Today, every spirit that our psychic mediums have connected with or that my. My partner and I have connected with knows. Knows who did it. One case blew my doors in because spirit actually showed our psychic medium what happened through him. So she was seeing it out of his Eyes as he was being killed. That, I mean, I, I was frozen. I was frozen in like time. I just couldn't move. Listening to her recount what he was going through broke my heart at the same time shook me, shook me. Because to know certain parts of the case that she doesn't know and to hear him saying it through her, that's a hard thing to wrap your head around when it's happening in real time. I've had quite a few moments where I'm just like frozen, just blown away. Every case that we have to date investigated with my psychic mediums, I have been able to identify one way or another, a subject involved. We have one case where she wasn't 100% sure who did it, but she know who, she knew who kidnapped her and she knew who put her in a trunk. It's mind blowing when you hear names or you're getting names and you're like, this is showing up in my criminal investigation as somebody that is just in this case file that nobody's looking at. We had a case where it involved a police officer. This is me as a retired law enforcement person saying, like that happens. There are cover ups, there are mishandling of cases and it's heartbreaking. But that's the point of us doing this, is to get that truth out there. [00:33:53] Speaker A: That would just drive me insane to, for the victim to be like, it was Joe Bob. But you can't just walk into the police department, be like, hey, Joe Bob killed Mary because she said so. You know, like, get out of my office, you know. [00:34:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is why we do the criminal investigation first to try and uncover something to tie into the paranormal side. So when you're going there and going, okay, how about this? Here's this. You've got no excuse now do what you need to do with this. Not every case, I mean, we are fully aware we aren't going to solve half the cases because some of them are just too old, sadly. Or you can solve it, but the killer is no longer alive. But even being able to sit down in the end with the family and we allow our victims, families to meet with our psychic mediums and allow them to speak to their loved one and communicate with them. Sometimes that's enough. Sometimes just having that kind of last conversation is enough. But at the end of the day, we are going to keep investigating until we uncover something. I don't care if it takes me 15 years working on one case, show or no show. This isn't, it's not something that exist because of the show. It's something that we are doing long before and we will continue doing long after. [00:35:30] Speaker A: So we have thank yous from our friends for the work that you're doing. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Thank you. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Question is, if you discover evidence via spirit, is that admissible in court? And I think that might be a catch. [00:35:42] Speaker B: No. [00:35:44] Speaker A: And just say because the ghost said, you have to be like, we ran the DNA, we, we pulled the prints, we re examined. You can't say because the ghost said so. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Right. That is correct. That being said, we have had cases where spirit has come forward, led our investigators or our psychic mediums to things that police didn't know. And that kind of opens that door to be able to uncover just enough to. To make it admissible. We uncovered a. Like I was saying, our pilot episode, we uncovered a whole second murder in our pilot episode because of one piece of information that led us somewhere that the police weren't onto. It's pretty incredible how loud spirit gets when they're like, I know you're listening. It's pretty incredible. [00:36:50] Speaker A: Now, do any of the families, knowing that you have psychic mediums working with you guys, do they request to have like a mediumship session with their loved one before the closing of the case or before maybe that spirit crosses over is like a final. Like, I didn't get to say goodbye, so I get to say it now. [00:37:12] Speaker B: Most have requested it. The few that didn't, I've always offered it and I let them know up front you know, if. If you are interested, you have that opportunity. But most are very eager to sit down and kind of have that, like, you know, that last piece of their family member, you know, that. That a lot of these families have never had any kind of relation to anything paranormal ever. They've always just kind of gone the cold case investigative route. And we've had families where we've introduced them to this side of it and it's given them kind of hope and it's given them pep in their step and like, hey, there's a chance here to make something happen. And sometimes that's enough. Giving them hope is enough. [00:38:00] Speaker A: It is like so sweet. You know, it's like you. You get the whole like true crime and the thrill of that and then the edge of your seat paranormal. But, you know, the fact that there's closure for the family, you know, when the case is solved, the spirit is finally can rest that they're not happen to be like, would somebody please just listen to me because Joe Bob's right over there. Yeah, you know, how do you guys, like, when it's said and done, how do you, like, release that and that stress, that tension, like having that leave the body then? Because it's not just psychological, like, you hold that in the body, the tension, the. You know, how are you caring for yourselves at the end? [00:38:42] Speaker B: You know, for me, personally, I. There's not been a case yet where I haven't come home and just hugged my kids and spent time with my family. I feel that's kind of like my way of dealing with it. You know, when we leave a case, you know, you'll hear police say, when I. When I go home, the case never leaves me. And it's true. It doesn't for me, that never does. They're always. Like I said, they're always up here. But I get that kind of peace in my heart when I know I've done, even if it's just a small sliver of something to help families. And, you know, I take that home to my family, and I'm like, you know, very grateful for the time that I have with them, because life is too damn sure, and it's gone in the blink of an eye. And for me, that's kind of my closure. I feel like most of my team finds that in all their loved ones, and then us as a team, as a unit. It is a surreal experience to be able to share that with people when you know you've made that difference. It feels good. It's an inexplainable feeling, but it's rewarding in itself. So that in itself is. Is kind of a release in, you know, in that aspect. [00:40:10] Speaker A: I'm assuming that, you know, the grief of first losing their loved one, but to have that closure, it's like a second grief. But it's a more healing type of. [00:40:22] Speaker B: Grief because now you have somewhere to. [00:40:24] Speaker A: Place it, and it's not just lingering all the time, you know, without the answers. [00:40:31] Speaker B: Yeah. I've had several family members say to me, I just. I just want to lay my head down at night and not think about this for one night. And then after they've been able to speak with their loved ones, they're like, I got the best sleep of my life last night. I have one particular family where she says, from the day that I spoke to my husband, I have been able to go to bed at night peacefully. Even if we don't solve the case, just being able to give them that ability to sit down and speak to their loved one means so much to them. Because, again, I say a lot of people that have had missing person or murders take place in their loved one's life. They don't go the psychic medium, paranormal route. Most don't. Most don't even ever think about it. Police always tend to push that away from families. We've had several police departments that have tried to change our family's mind. Don't get involved with that. Attorneys that have said that's. That's taboo. That'll ruin the case. They don't realize how. They don't realize how sometimes how important it is to these family members to just have a sliver of peace and hope. So that that's enough for me in itself. [00:41:56] Speaker A: It's like heartwarming. It's the feel good at the end of it. [00:41:59] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:41:59] Speaker B: I got quite a few good cries believe. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Marie, do you have any like other questions, follow up questions? I've been hogging again? Yeah. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Like I said, it's a healing. Part of it that I really like about this is the closure for the family because I know how trauma really gets into the person. It becomes their whole entire identity for as long as they're on unanswered, you know, and their family members gone. So yes, I. I am so glad that you are doing this work because the trauma alone and to release that. I can see the release of it, you know. [00:42:48] Speaker B: Yeah. I have a lot of families who have made this their life. 20 years of their life has been trying to get someone to listen to them. Trying to get the police to just test one more piece of evidence or reopen this part of the case or follow this lead screaming at them out on top. Somebody please hear me again. Our pilot episode falls into that category. It's heartbreaking to see. I'm sure I don't have to tell you, but it is mind blowing how many cold cases and missing person cold cases are out there. It is. We would need a hundred of us to even get a drop in the bucket. [00:43:41] Speaker A: I mean just Investigation Discovery is a whole channel dedicated. [00:43:46] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:47] Speaker A: To that. That is my background noise while I'm like crocheting, you know, to more missing. Yes. People. You know, thankfully I'm of a mental awareness where it doesn't cause me to not want to leave my house. But I will say I kind of side eye now certain things that I might see in public. And I'm like, I saw that on an episode. Yeah. We will not walk over there. Yes. [00:44:22] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Yeah. I've had. Had a lot of people in the last 10 years say to me, Jackie, I would have never thought to even see that from that point of view, had we not had this conversation. It's scary. It's scary how. How easily we let our guard down, how easily we trust. A lot of cold cases are people that are close to them that are the murderers. It is terrifying. Most of the time, it's someone that is closest to you. More often than not, when you really start to dig into it, it becomes a rabbit hole. [00:45:10] Speaker C: Also an opportunity for the spirit to. Hey, I'm. I. I'm. Even though you can't see me, I'm still here, you know, making them human again. And they have something to say. This is what happened. I need your help. And that is also peaceful for them so they don't have to keep going through. I need you to hear me. I need you to hear me. I need you to. This is my story. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:39] Speaker B: Our pilot episode. And I keep talking about it because it is just magnificent. It is heartwarming. It is mind blowing. It is at the edge of your seat. Holy crap. Mind blowing. But spirit took us on one hell of a ride. I'm not going to say anything else because I don't want to give anything else away, but we were not prepared for the road trip we went on. I'll just say that sometimes they just want to talk and take you on the places that have nothing to do with their crime. Nothing to do with it. And it is incredible. Every bit of it is incredible. [00:46:20] Speaker A: That's a whole other side quest. I'm like, that might be another episode. Oh, what about this? Because I'm thinking of a book series that I read where she's got a young teenage boy who helps her investigate and she sends him off to go gather. And I'm like, do any of the ghosts go around helping solve one another's murders? And like, well, we can probably get yours quicker. So let's go take care of that and then bring them back. [00:46:53] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes spirit just wants to talk and they have a lot to say and it's. It is wild some of the things that come through. And sometimes they just want to tell you all about their life and not talk about their murder. And sometimes they want to sell their sub, their murderer right down the river and then talk about their life. It took me a long time to really process what I was getting into. I wanted to do it. I've always. For years before I started doing it, I've always been like, it would be so cool if I could take my experience in my career and solve murders by using the paranormal assisting me. It was years I wanted to do it, and I spent years trying to figure out what would the best way to do it would be. Nothing can prepare you for when you start actually getting into a case and you really start checking boxes that are like, holy crap, we have something here. And it's even more frustrating when you're like, hey, we have something here and you need to do something about it. And they're like, you're a crazy person. So it is an emotional roller coaster. I will say that I love the. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Fact that you have a, you know, somebody from the FBI on the team. [00:48:19] Speaker B: He's actually an MSNBC consultant as well. So he's not just. He's not just a random retired agent. He consults on MSNBC and Fox News. Okay, so we have some pretty incredible people in our arsenal, for sure. [00:48:41] Speaker A: You mentioned quickly, but Gregory Nicholas was like, hey, everyone. So he's. He's got kind of listening as well. And for our local people, if you've been into the store, you know Greg, and he's a. [00:48:52] Speaker B: He's amazing. Amazing. [00:48:56] Speaker A: So he's one of your psychic mediums going out? [00:49:00] Speaker B: He is. Every time I'm walking with him, it is like, it is electrifying. Electrifying. He is electrifying. And that's. I will scream it from the mountaintops. My whole body is like on fire when I'm walking with him and he's hitting on stuff. It's like, amazing. [00:49:22] Speaker A: He and Maria are two, like two of my people. There's a couple more, but like, anytime a skeptic is like, walking in, they're like, yeah, I don't believe. I'm like, do me a favor, go sit right there for a second. And I'd be like, greg, what you get, Maria, what you get? And they know that it's just me being a little bit petty because I'm like, we got a non believer talking, some snacks. So do your thing for me, would you? And so next thing you know, they're like, well, we're going in for a reading now. And I'm like, got it. So. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, even with my own personal reading that I had with Greg, I mean, I was not prepared. And I've been doing this for 27 years and I still wasn't prepared. I still wasn't prepared. I'm very blessed. I am truly blessed to have the people that I work with stand beside me. Because this was ultimately my mission in the beginning by myself. And I was blessed. I found people that were passionate and as excited about it as me. And over the last, you know, 10 years or so, I have grown such an incredible friendship with the people that I work with. And they are all incredible and talented in their own way. And they all have something so important that they bring to the table. And Greg is magnificent. And I cannot wait for everyone to see him and Irene and Robert and Maria and Stacy and Katie just light up the show and really be able to show people that there is more out there than just what we see every day. You know, our minds, most people's minds are so closed and to be able to help people with what we do is sometimes too much for people to understand. But it is, it is magnificent to watch everybody kind of come together and do their thing. So very excited. I'm very blessed. [00:51:28] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned earlier that you guys are refilming your pilot and you're. You're filming some others and Forsaken Souls, you. You're anticipating to be out around fall time, right? [00:51:43] Speaker B: Yep. [00:51:45] Speaker A: So can you give us hints of what that pilot episode might be about? Does that have one of the families that were skeptical at first and then change their mind? [00:51:55] Speaker B: The pilot episode involves a family that reached out to me, but it does involve a very tumultuous journey with the local police department. And we were led down a path that I don't think any of us were ready for. And till this day, I still am close with the family. And there's still more work that we need to finish doing to get certain things out there. That being said, the ending will definitely knock your socks off for sure. We weren't ready for it. I assure you our viewers won't be ready for it. And the only parts that we're actually refilming is just the, the criminal investigative piece, all the original paranormal and the psychic walkthrough and all that stuff is original filming. But we uncovered some more leads after the fact and I said we need to add that in there so it is exciting in itself. And then we go right into filming the second episode we. Which Greg will be leading that. So I am very excited to get both of our. Irene is actually in episode one and Greg is episode two and both are kind of pilot episodes because they're both going to be a little bit longer than the normal season episodes that we have. It's kind of like a two part premiere and both cases are wild or just wild. I mean, nobody's prepared for a murder, but these cases really kind of go overboard with how things were. It's definitely not just cut and dry case for sure. [00:53:55] Speaker A: So the Show's called Forsaken Souls. [00:53:59] Speaker B: It's actually called Speaking for the Silent. It's Forsaken Souls. And then Dash Speaking for the Silent. We are hoping to do 10 episodes at minimum. And then we're going to be doing two, like, spooky season episodes as well. So kind of a two bonus series there. [00:54:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:54:22] Speaker B: And. [00:54:23] Speaker A: And for all of our late coming friends, where can they find you again on all of your socials and keep track of when things are coming out and. [00:54:32] Speaker B: Sure, you guys, our TikTok and our Instagram are both ForsakenSoulSPRG. They can join me on Facebook at Jacqueline Loren or either one of our Facebook groups. One is Speaking for the Silent and one is Forsaken Souls Paranormal Research. The Speaking for the Silent page is dedicated to the show itself where Forsaken Soul Souls Paranormal Research is dedicated to the show and our other work that we do. And we also have a YouTube page which is Forsaken Souls underscore PRG. And they can also just follow me privately on Facebook and I can lead them to all our updated information as well. [00:55:14] Speaker A: I'm excited. What. What networks might we be keeping an eye out for if you're allowed to say? [00:55:20] Speaker B: I can say we'll be on Amazon and there is one network that I am not allowed to say yet, but it is huge. [00:55:30] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, thank you for being able to join us and sharing your good work and everything. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Thank you. Thank you for having me. [00:55:41] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:55:42] Speaker A: You know, I haven't mentioned yet. We decided because of your work and the million times I bugged you in text and chat, you know, the. The Healers Network, we're actually helping sponsor you guys because we love what you guys doing. [00:55:57] Speaker B: I wasn't sure if I could say anything, so I was. I was getting ready to kind of put a queue out there. Yes. I am so, so grateful for your sponsorship and we are excited to be able to add you to our promos and banners and make sure that we get your information out there on all of our episodes and in our credit reels and lots and lots to come. I'm very excited about our partnership and I can't thank you enough. And I know the families that will benefit from this also can't thank you enough. [00:56:27] Speaker A: Well, thanks for joining everybody and thank you again, Jacqueline. It's. Thank you. A really great conversation and we hope our friends keep an eye out for the show when it airs. So keep an eye on that Amazon for that new show. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:56:43] Speaker A: Well, have a great night, everybody. We will see you guys for the next corner. [00:56:49] Speaker B: Thank you. Have a good night. [00:56:51] Speaker C: Good night.