Crystal Healing: Vogels, Moss Agate, Garnet

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Healers Corner Podcast with your hosts, Melissa Wiles and Maria Cerna. [00:00:14] Speaker B: Hello, everybody. [00:00:16] Speaker C: Hello. [00:00:17] Speaker A: Good evening. [00:00:19] Speaker B: I'm like, oh, crap, we gotta start. We're late. We're too busy having fun. [00:00:24] Speaker A: The. [00:00:25] Speaker B: The pre. Fun before the fun goes live. And now everything is evidence, so. But yay, we get to have Maria Celeste back with Maria Cerna going over some crystal healing. And I'm like, you know what? Garnet doesn't get enough love. Moss Agate doesn't get enough love. And now that we've got the Vogels here, because both of you ladies work with Vogel crystals, so. [00:00:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Yes. And Maria, certainly you grabbed one of these nice, pretty guys this past weekend. [00:01:06] Speaker C: Oh, yes. Along with the white. The white motorbike. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Did you? [00:01:12] Speaker B: I got a what? [00:01:12] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I said, oh, I can't. I can't. I have to take this home, too. [00:01:18] Speaker A: Yeah, they're. They're gentle giants. They're truly gentle giants. It's just the. The magic of the Vogel. I cannot explain enough to the audience the magic of the Vogels. And I literally. These two and this third one on me literally hang in my bedroom, and I have another one that hangs on my bedpost. But these are. You know, these are the only ones I have. Everything else is I've always released it and released it and I stockpiled it, and I'm like, okay, somebody wants a Vogel, and somebody wants a Vogel. But, yeah, these are. These are just. These babies, truly, if you understand what they do, they help regenerate the DNA and the RNA and help realign us back to our original source in terms of our DNA and the rna. They're very, very, very powerful tools. So much so that they originally were used in IBM computers by Mr. Vogel. And so they actually had the scientific use before they became metaphysical. And the metaphysical community out in Mount Shasta got a hold of it and said, well, if it moves energy through the computers, it must move energy through the body. And they're absolutely right. They really do move energy through the body. So they're absolutely beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful. And I. I don't know if I told the story last time about the Vogels. I had usually. The Vogels are big. They're usually big. And Mr. Vogel made the. I mean, some of these are hundreds of thousands. Not hundreds, tens of thousands of dollars. I mean, the big ones are. I don't know, Melissa, if you've ever seen the big ones. But these. They're gorgeous. And they run five to ten thousand dollars. Absolutely exquisite. I. And by the grace of God. Early, early on, I have a very small original Vogel that Mr. Vogel actually made. But Ray Pinto's brother used to work for, with Mr. Vogel when Mr. Vogel worked for IBM. And he designed these for the IBM computers, the very large government computers that needed to move a lot of information very quickly. And that's how the, the energetic design of this crystal moves the energy through it. You know, you got to remember the quartz are used in radios for frequency. So they are frequency and they do move energy. So they really do do what they we say they do. And they're actually applied in industry. And so Mr. Pinto was visited by Mr. Vogel after Mr. Vogel died and said, go to my lab, I will teach you how to make these. And he's like, you're dead. How am I going to do that? And he goes, go with your brother. He'll show you how. And miraculously enough, Mr. Pinto, Ray Pinto actually made some. And he made some small ones. And so when we came across them, I was like, I need all of these. And Eric's like, why do you need all of these? And I'm like, I don't know, I need all of these. And I think I told this story last month. So we ended up with all of these. And then I was told that I was going to be channeling information. And I believe, Melissa, that I sent you that copy that you hopefully share with the people when they buy them of. It used to be on my website. And I'm sorry, folks, I took my website down. If you need to get a hold of me, get a hold of Melissa. She'll tell you how to get a hold of me. It's just I've chosen because of my lifestyle just to go, okay, if you need to get a hold of me, you'll figure out how to get a hold of me. But I'm hiding. I'm hiding. I'm not doing as much as I used to do because I'm doing me. So Melissa does have the channel of the Vogel and how to meditate with it for 28 days and explain how it will realign and balance your, your chakras and your DNA and your rna. And the interesting thing is spirit would wake me up at like 3 o' clock in the morning. I'm gone sleeping. They go, no, you're not. You got to go up and go open your computer and go here. And I'd open up my computer. And I think I don't. Did I send you the second set? Did I email you the second set? Because the second okay, check. Because the second set is actually scientific information that supports everything that spirit channel to me. Because spirit knows, like I have real trust issues. And I'm like, yeah, this. Yeah. Really? You're giving me this information? Is this like for real? And then like three months later they would be like, go, wake up. We're going to show you that it's real information. It's. It. My life has been crazy fun. It's really been crazy fun. And so Melissa has both of those that when you get the vocals that she's got, she has some vocals and they're just, they're magical. They're. They're truly, truly. I, you know, I don't keep many things people say to me after all the years, the 26 years I've done this, my parents thought I was going to be geologist. And I was thinking today because a friend of mine reached out, she has a daughter that is in need of some crystals. And she said, maria, can you pick some crystals? [00:06:24] Speaker B: I was like, I don't have a. [00:06:26] Speaker A: Lot of crystals anymore. [00:06:27] Speaker B: I'm like, oh, no. [00:06:29] Speaker A: And I realized I never really kept a lot, but I did keep me these because they're ovals now. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Aren't. Don't Vogels have to have so many sides? [00:06:41] Speaker A: There's different vocals that have different sides. I don't get so hung up on that. Because all the vocals, technically, because of their design, one side is the point is male and the top is female. And so it will. Whether you want to expand the energy through the female side or concentrate the energy through the male side, it doesn't really. Some people get really hung up on 16, 12, 36, the Fibonacci kind of thing. That never was a matter to me. I was like, a Bogle is going to be a vocal is going to be a Vogel and they're all going to do their work. And I'm not so hung up on. Do I need 32? Do I need. I never got that technical. I'm not a technical person. I'm more of an overview person. And I know what Vogels do and it's like Vogel's going to do what a Vogel is going to do. And I don't know whether it's 12 or 36 or 32 or 16. It's going to do its thing. So I never really got hung up on that. But yes, there are a lot of people that like, I want a 32 sided Vogel. I'm like, okay, here, you can count it. Because it wasn't that important to me. I Just knew I just loved my vocals and I just know that they're going to do. Whether they're 12 or they're 6 or they're 2 or they're 10 or they're, you know, I mean, you should see some of these. Oh, my God, they're. They're absolutely exquisite. It just, the energy is just. It's so warm and yummy and so gentle and powerful all at the same time. [00:07:58] Speaker B: It's just. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Oh, I can't say enough about my vocals. [00:08:02] Speaker B: So the vocals need to be done out of quartz are. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:08:07] Speaker B: Seen some where they try to do this shape and I say try because they're not always perfect in like their points and in that nice fluid decrease. But Vogel should be in a quartz to do what we needed to do. Right? [00:08:25] Speaker A: Okay. There are a few Mr. Mr. Pinto did. Do I have. Unless I gave it away. I had a green one. He did it in a green, green obsidian. And he did one in a rose quartz. He did one in a rhodonite. Not a road night, but a rutile. And then he did one in an amethyst. And there was four odd pieces that he had worked with. And by the grace of God, I have them or I had them and I'm like, where. Where I may have. Somebody may have wanted it, you know, it's like, okay, because this is a huge lesson in detachment. It's a Buddhist thing. But they, for the most part, they are just. They are quartz. The original Vogels, they were their quartz because they're used. The quartz are. It's an amazing frequency movement crystal. And it's just because of the resonance of it. And when you think of how many quartz are in the earth and what they're doing for our frequency is absolutely beautiful. But yes, they really, they are. The original ones are always quartz. You're absolutely right about that, Melissa. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Now, Maria Cerna, you use them in your chronic healing. [00:09:42] Speaker C: And I have a. Go ahead. [00:09:45] Speaker B: I was going to say, and for you, the more clear the better. So is that to like move the energy like unimpeded and get a fluid movement? [00:09:55] Speaker C: Yes. In pranic healing, we try to keep it at the 18 facets and it's a single terminated. The reason why is the rounded portion of it. The heat is pointing to the healer, the pointed is pointing to the person, you know, and it's. It's for us to remove stale energy from that person. I don't want to say disease, but it's. It's just stale energy from that person. And the pointer Will help me remove it quicker. I can do it with my hands. But the, the clear crystal is a master healer. It energy is run through it and I usually the fastest is 18 because it helps like make that tool that you're using go in quicker and bring in the energy quicker to that individual. But I do have a rose quartz single terminated also and I do have an amethyst amethyst single terminated also that I work with and my go to is the rose quartz. Because if I notice a client, they need a gentler, more gentle energy, more gentle healing. I that's my go to is the rose quartz. I if I know that this client has need a little bit more oomph in their healing, I will reach out for the clear crystal. I will. That's. That's my, my second go to. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Well now that you up one of these guys that have the double ends like how are you going to use this since it's not smooth on the one side? [00:11:44] Speaker C: Well the, the, the, the double. The, the Vogels what I use is a personal use. That's why I love this one. The female innovet. You can put it on your solar plex if you're feeling a little low energy. If I did a whole bunch of healing throughout the day and I need, I need to clear it. So I put the female on my solar plex and I envision Mother Earth. There's a whole of mother Earth or, or maybe a violet flame or maybe an orange flame and it's pulling all of that energy that I have picked up for my clients is pulling it from me on my solar plex. So I use it as a self healing tool. That's what I use the Vogel for. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Nice. Because I'm like I could see these even being used in crystal grids and I don't know Maria Celeste, if you did much with the grids but like yeah as like female and more pointed towards that center to like that your concentration, your main point piece and like sending, sending that out and because it is so clear like it's really going to get it out there pretty, pretty quick. Maria Celeste, have you like taken a picture of somebody who needed healing but they weren't around nearby? So did you ever put their picture in the center of the grid and build the grid on it? [00:13:12] Speaker A: Oh yeah. I, I do a lot of distance. Well I used to do a lot of distance sailing done. I still would do it if people ask, but a lot of distance healing. And so what I would do is you'd get a picture of them And I have a. I don't have it with me. I have a copper ring. And I would put the copper ring and then I would set usually 4 Vogels with the Vogel in the center or at a. Around tumbled stone in the center, depending on what they needed and where they needed it on their body. And then I would set it and. And hold the grid. And then I would sit the grid on my altar and usually leave it there for about three days. But the Vogels. And a lot of times I did my own grids for myself. Where I would put. There would be four Vogels and then something in the center or a picture of whatever was needed in the center. [00:14:04] Speaker B: And. [00:14:04] Speaker A: And I would put that on the altar. But I love grids. I absolutely love grids. And when before I sold all my big ones and I was thinking, oh, my God, I used to have big ones that I would sit with and meditate and people. So anyway, there's, There's. But I would use the big ones too, you know, because of the. Like Maria said, they're the clear quartz. And clear quartz are just. It's a magnifying for everything. And if you don't know what crystal to use, use a clear quartz. That's why Mother Nature is like. If you understood how many clear quartz is in the center of the earth, it's crazy cool of what the queer courts, they're like live spirits, folks. I mean, they're just not. You need to understand, these are live babies. There's energy in these. And when you treat them with that respect, they're gonna. They're gonna come alive and work for you. They want to work for you as much as you want them to work for you. These babies love to work. They love to work. Truly they do. And so, you know, putting them on grids, wearing them, hanging them in the room, and if you don't know what to do with it, just, just. Just love it and respect it. It's going to do what it needs to do for you. It doesn't have to. It's not going to ask you directions. It doesn't need directions. It intrinsically knows how to work with you. Gridding is so cool. I'll need to come up and do a great class with you. [00:15:32] Speaker C: Oh, yes, please. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Yes, please. I. I feel like that is an option that gets kind of overlooked. And I think maybe it's because people are afraid of doing it wrong or they don't even know where to start. So I think that would be a really good class for us. And I mean, We've got a couple crystals around the store to work with. [00:15:57] Speaker A: It would be fun because, like, you know, when my girlfriend asked me, she's like, my daughter wants some crystals. And I'm like, well, I know she needs rose quartz, and I know amethyst is really good for addictions, and I don't have any of those, so I'm like. But I have every room gridded in rose quart. Literally, there's. There's rose quartz in every room in my house, inside and out. And I'm like, oh, I can't. I can't, I can't. I cannot. There. It's just like, yeah, no, you don't get those, you know? And I. [00:16:26] Speaker B: And it's like, that's really strange for. [00:16:27] Speaker A: Me to be selfish about it, but it's like, no, these are in my house. These are like. [00:16:33] Speaker B: So, yeah, they're doing their job. Leave them alone. [00:16:35] Speaker A: Yeah, because I've gritted my. I've gritted my house, and people in the neighborhood have said, what do you have gritted around your house? I've like, rose quartz. And they go, can we have some? So now sort of. It's like the whole neighborhood is sort of gritted in rose quartz. It's really quite fun. [00:16:49] Speaker B: You need to come move next to Maria. [00:16:51] Speaker A: That's a good neighborhood, Alex. Greater than rose quartz. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:56] Speaker A: You can. You can't have too much rose quartz. No, can't have too much. And really, folks, if you're like, what crystal? What crystal do I need for whatever it is I need it for? And you don't know what it is. And the person doesn't go for clear quartz. Go for Vogel. Go for the white moldavite. The clear quartz, even though moldavite is a calcite, but it's the. There's something about the clear quartz that moves energy beautifully. And it's. If you think of it spiritually and the white energy and the light energy, it moves through those crystals. You know, I. And I. I say this time and time again. The mineral kingdom is biblical. God made three kingdoms. This is the mineral kingdom, and it works energetically with us, just like the plant kingdom and the animal kingdom, and they all energetically work together, and so embrace it and love it, and they'll work with you. [00:17:57] Speaker B: So while I was thinking of, like, what stones we should talk about tonight, I stood in front of my cabinets, and I'm like, who gets overlooked? And one of the ones I kind of yelled out was moss agate. And I'm like, you know, this. This poor sky. And this is Just a small one. And this isn't even, like, the most prettiest of moss agate. I'm trying not to drop it because it is very slippery. This one I. I love in the springtime because if you work with plants like moss agate will help your plants. So will tree agate. But, Maria, I don't think you and I have talked a whole lot about moss agate, so I'm like, ooh, let's pick your brain about moss agate. [00:18:41] Speaker A: The interesting thing about moss agate is. And you're absolutely it. It. It is. We had tumbled moss agate. It's. It's rare to find it in anything else other than tumbled, oddly enough. And by a true definition, it's a chalcedony. It's not an agate with dendrite in it. And for some reason, it usually always ends up in tumbled or in beads or, like, in cabochons, but rarely do you see it in, like, a candle or something. But moss agate is an amazing stone for balancing and for stability for anybody who wants to focus on a goal. And if you understand it communicates with the heart and your throat chakra in terms of allowing you to manifest your goals, it's. It's a very good stone for that. And a lot of people overlook it. It's. It's not really a popular stone, Melissa. You can probably, you know, I mean, for every amethyst you sell, you probably sell a half of a moss agate. It's not. It's not. I was always interested in the people that would buy moss agate because it's not a very popular stone, but yet it is. It's a wonderful stone for balancing, for stability, for helping you focus on getting to your goal. Because the. The green, the prosperity and giving you focus so that you can achieve your goal and stay grounded. It's a very powerful stone that way. And yet it just sort of just sits there like a tree and just does its thing without you noticing it, Right? [00:20:19] Speaker B: Well, and that's the thing, like, people, when they come in asking about, like, stones for abundance and everything, and I'm like, oh, you know, moss agate triagot. And they're like, oh, because they're so used to hearing amethyst, amateurine, citrine, tiger's eye. And I'm like, oh, my God, think outside the box, please. And I'm like, think of it this way. That moss, it grows, it spreads. So why wouldn't you want your prosperity to spread? Why don't you want your success to spread, you know, and they're like, oh. And I'm like, yeah, think outside the typical box. Like, try adding that in there and see what happens. What's. What's the worst? Nothing. I doubt nothing will happen, but that's the worst. But, you know, and I'm like, this poor little guy gets overlooked. So when I was able to grab some in palm stones, you know, and I'm like, yes, to sit and meditate with, like, that calming grounding. But yet if you're like, need to focus on business, I need to focus on success for, like writing a paper for school or something, like, this is a good one to pick up and use and ask it, like, what is the best way to approach this goal that I need to go, and how do I move in that direction? Right? Because moss spreads. It's. It's like a moving plant. So why don't you want your goal to move in the direction you wanted to, you know, you. To go towards it. [00:21:41] Speaker A: But. [00:21:43] Speaker B: But yeah, I wasn't sure if you had any good, fun stories about it working, like, in a healing, energetic way for people, like, hey, do this with it. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Not, not particularly in terms of anything special, but in terms of one of the things that a lot of people don't think about is moss agate grows in shaded areas. So moss agate helps you overcome the dark part, the dark part of our souls that keep us from being able to achieve our goal. So that it eliminates that and allows it in a gentle way to say, I'm going to grow anyway. I'm going to ex. I'm going to achieve my goals, even with that negative stuff, even with the dark stuff. Because moss doesn't grow in sunlight. Moss grows in. In. In shaded, darker areas where there's a lot of moisture, where there's. And the moisture could be thought. And so it allows. The moss agate allows you to overcome that darkness that you think could keep you from achieving your goals, so that you can turn that into making it grow, into making it prosperous. So it allows you to overcome the darkness to achieve the goal. And it's. It's very subtle about doing that. If you understand how moss grows. Moss doesn't grow in the sunlight. Moss grows in shaded, dark areas. And so it allows you to overcome those dark shadows, that dark shadow part of the self, that negativity that we have that grows in our brain. And moss agate's like, no, get out of the way. I'm going to grow anyway. I'm going to have you. I'm Going to get you to your goal. And it just does it because that's just what it does. It overcomes your darkness so that you can prosper. And it's really. It's just does it quietly. [00:23:35] Speaker B: I like that. [00:23:36] Speaker A: It's. [00:23:37] Speaker B: It's not the whole, let's sit and have really long conversations about yourself. It's like, I'm just going to help you over here. Yeah, you're gonna see the results. Maria Cerna, have you worked a lot with moss agate? [00:23:53] Speaker C: I have a few. Moss agate. I haven't really worked with clients on it. I use it again. It's another personal thing. The fact that it's a color. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Green. [00:24:02] Speaker C: Green color breaks up negative energy. So I have. I have. Yeah. I wish they made it into a spear. You know how I love spears. I wish they made it into a spear because if I come home, I can just place my hand on top of it and that is like a shortcut way for me to get rid of anything that I had picked up. I've been actually. It's funny that you said that, Marissa, last. I didn't know that they only come in tumblers. I've been looking for a spear, moss agate for a few years now and I haven't been able to find it. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Ma', am. Have you not looked at my cabinets? I have. Oh, you do have three. They're about anything. They're not super big. [00:24:51] Speaker C: I want something that I want like 2, 2.5 to 3 inches spear. I want a big spear. [00:24:58] Speaker A: You might have to have somebody specially make that. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Now the interesting thing is this is what I'm thinking and I don't know from a mineralogical standpoint, it may not be formed in big pieces, which is why we don't find big pieces. Because you've got to understand for them to make a sphere, they've got. The reason spheres are expensive is that spheres start with a big piece and winds up in a little piece. And like with peridot and stuff, you're not going to find a big peridot. Peridot mineralogic, mineralogically does not form in big chunks like big pieces of rose quartz. So I don't know the mineralogical aspect of moss agate, but I'm thinking that probably because we haven't seen it, you know, in the. In the few 26 years that I've done this, I've never seen a big piece of moss agate. And I'm wondering if it's because it's not mined that way, because it doesn't grow in big chunks. Chunks, you know. [00:25:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna say. Yeah. The spheres that I have are maybe, you know, about yay big. About the size of a big. [00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker B: You know, and the skull that I have, he's. He's like, you know, sits in your palm. I've. I've managed to get a few, like, towers. But then again, thinking, like, what you summary a Celeste of how it grows and maybe the thickness of it. So maybe you get a long piece, but if it's not thick enough to do a sphere out of it or something, so. So now my hamster wheels will be going down some rabbit holes later. That's what I'm thinking, too. [00:26:32] Speaker A: The actual molecular structure of moss. I don't have my Simon Schuster book here. [00:26:40] Speaker B: But. But, yeah, Maria, I. I've got three, but like I said, they're. They're, you know, not super big. I know. [00:26:48] Speaker A: Asking you shall receive. [00:26:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Looked at my cabinets. [00:26:54] Speaker C: I'm looking for a big. A big spirit. Because when you. I found out that when I left my tumblers, I have, like, about five of them. [00:27:03] Speaker A: I. [00:27:04] Speaker C: There was a room, hardly used, and I left it there. I didn't even realize I left it there. And when a room is not really used, there's no energy flowing. And especially when you close the door, you know, there's no energy flowing. I left it there, and I happened to come into the room once. I was like, oh, the energy shifted. Why? And I saw that I left the moss agate in that room, so I thought that was really cool. I was like, oh, if I can get this in a big spear, that would be great. [00:27:38] Speaker B: You might need a collection of spears sitting close together. [00:27:42] Speaker A: Cluster it together. Yeah. [00:27:44] Speaker B: So another stone that I'm like, you know, nobody talks about garnet. People, I think, are so used to garnet being in jewelry, and then I think they're really shocked when they see what it looks like before jewelers start superheating it and changing the color of it and everything else. But like, that. That is what garnet looks like more in a natural state. And I say more in a. Because obviously it's been tumbled, it's been polished, it's been shaped, but it has not been put into a GE oven to superheat it to that, you know, red jimmy piece that you normally see in jewelry. And I know for me, I like garnet. That's. That's another reason why I'm like, we're working with this one tonight. It helps with exhaustion. So it's. It's we have a lot of nurses that will come in because we have, uh, around us, we have the Cleveland Clinic around us, we have Metro. We have a lot of bigger hospital systems. And they're like, oh my God, I am dragon. And I'm like, here, hold the scarlet and see what happens. You're like, oh my God. And I'm like, yes. It's not as pretty when it's tumbled as what it is in jewelry, but it still does its job. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:55] Speaker B: So I don't think I've ever been able to get garnet from you, Maria Celeste. I know I've gotten ruby, but have you worked with garnet? [00:29:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I love garnet. It's the stone for January. But garnet is an amazing next to rose quartz. Garnet is a great stone for strengthening the heart. It strengthens the blood supply, which is where you get the energy from. It is a great opener of the heart in terms of. It's different than the self love of opening the heart. It's opening up the heart to abundance of physical health. Garnet really works with the physical body more than the emotional body where, where rose quartz will work with the emotional body and it works with blood. It's great for if you're, if you're anemic, to help you with anemia. And it's just to me the, the jamminess of garnet. And it's one stone that I did sell, we had probably a 20 pound rose quart and starred and people were like, oh my God. And I'm like, yeah, it needs to be in somebody's home. It's not in my home, but it is one stone that is absolutely the, the energy from garnet will work with you, as Melissa said, very physically. It works very physically to help your physical body to heal and to be energetic and to thrive with building the immune system, building the energy supply, building good strong blood and just good strong. And if you've got good strong blood and Garnet's telling me this right now, that it really. It works also with the bone because you need the blood to strengthen the bone. So it does. It strengthens the core. Your core ability is, is fascinating with, with the garnet. I love garnet. Garnet has always been a very special stone to me. And garnet is a stone that they used back in about the roaring 20sish. And there was a lot of energy in the Roaring twenties. So it doesn't surprise me that they use the modern garnet, you know, in the, in the pins and the necklaces. It's just. It's just. It makes stunning jewelry, but it also is stunning physically for what it does for the physical body rather than the emotional body. [00:31:17] Speaker B: Now, there's. There's at least one other color of garnet, like the hessenite, which is the orange garnet, and I think b. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Right, garnet. That's orange, too. [00:31:28] Speaker B: Yes. So, you know, and. And when people learn that, like, garnet comes in more than one color, amethyst also comes in more than one color, you know, that you get, like, a whole bunch of other cool properties, then that start coming, you know, in with these. In with these stones and crystals that work with you. Here. Here's a fun question. It's like, how do crystals get their power? And it's like they. They're created that way. That is their science. Molecular structure. We are molecular in structure. And, you know, that's how they work with us. And, you know, I love the fact that it's like, when people are, like, you know, kind of learning and maybe they're a little bit on the fence and they're like, well, how can a stone really help? And my favorite one to go to is always lepidolite. And I'm like, it is lithium that gives it that perfect purple color. And they use lithium in science and in medicine. So if it works this way, it also works this way. Why do you think they pulled it out? So, you know, that's how and where, you know, they come in. But, you know, the. The hessonite, like, oh, we got some really pretty Hessenite. And, you know, we were showing them up and, like, that bright orange. And I'm like, yes. And I'm like, so now you're getting, you know, your bottom two chakras kind of going in there and being taken care of. And, you know, your. Your safety and your sense of belonging are now going to be a little more, like, grounded for you in, like, what you're working and what you're dealing with, which is great for young children in school right now, but, you know, because kids. Kids be kids, right? And. And they're mean to one another. They make fun of one another. They. They do horrible things to one another, you know, so that's a good stone. I would say definitely get them more of a tumble. Don't give them, like, $120 pendant to wear around in school. [00:33:29] Speaker A: But they won't have that long. [00:33:31] Speaker B: No, no. [00:33:33] Speaker A: They'll get lost on the playground. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Right, right. Oh, good question. What crystals do I need for happiness? Oh, like sunset for that oh, here, let me put it back up. [00:33:49] Speaker A: My question, I want to question that question. Behind that is, where is the need for. Where is the need for happiness coming from? Oh, what is the lack that's behind the happiness? Because that's the. That to me, for this person is if you can look at where does. Where is the lack of happiness coming from, then we can address how to fulfill that lack rather than just looking at overall happiness. And for some reason, I was just power. I just was focused in on that for that particular person to have them look at what's the need behind that happiness. Where is the lack of happiness coming from? [00:34:36] Speaker B: It's fun. So if you think like this time of year, a lot of people will have seasonal affective disorder. And before I say, please, no, we are not doctors, we are not prescribing or anything of the sort, never are we going to tell you to quit taking any meds or anything. And I'm saying, not saying this is just you galactic, but just overall. Sunstone is great for mood uplifting. It's a fun, positive type of stone. Citrine is a good brain, bright, uplifting stone. Yellow agate, orange calcite, yellow castite, sulfur. Those are all. I'm sorry, sulfur. Sulfur. You know, it's. Those are all good, fun stones to either carry with you, make a grid, put around your desk. Like if you're in a workplace that, like, you got Baja mugs around you, even when it's not this time of year, you know, just putting those stones around kind of keep your space in a more happy, productive, make you feel good, you know, space, you know, those. Those are some off. Off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more. Maria Slush. You might have even more that are good for uplifting posit vibes. [00:35:51] Speaker A: Well, one of the things is you did say citrine. But the other thing to work with citrine is you could use like an apophite, where the apophite is going to raise that vibration, to help raise the vibration from the solar plexus to the spiritual realm to help you raise it and. And energetically bring up that energy into a higher vibration for you. The other thing that I'm getting is if you are in a situation where you want positivity, is to make sure that you're protecting yourself from negativity, which would be adding some hematite or some black tourmaline to that mix so that you're protecting yourself from the negativity while you're allowing yourself to Absorb the positivity. [00:36:38] Speaker B: Mm. Yeah. Hematite comes tumbled. I'm just sitting here and I'm like, oh. And you can usually find it in a ring. I think we sell these for like, two or three bucks. They shouldn't be too much more than that. I. I've heard of places trying to sell those for like, 10 bucks a piece. And I'm like, why? They don't need to be. That's ridiculous. But, you know, you can get hematite pretty readily. It's a pretty common out there in most places. And the rings, and the fun thing, too, with rings, if you get a sphere, like, your sphere will sit on it as well. So if you have a sphere like, say, on. On your desk, and maybe somebody comes up and they pick it up and they're playing with it, and then they're kind of like complaining about their day, so they're dumping their negative into your poor little sphere. As soon as they put it back down on that hematite, that hematite is going to be like, kind of pulling that out of it for you, you know, so that's another good reason to use, you know, hematite rings for spheres. [00:37:39] Speaker A: Good idea. I like that. That's really. I like that idea. That's nice. Yeah. [00:37:43] Speaker B: Most of our spheres are on hematite. Oh, that's cool in the store. But it's, you know, hematite's pretty easy to get pretty much anywhere, so it's. It's pretty good. But, you know, protecting yourself from things that might be kind of pulling your. Your good vibes away from yourself or from your area. Again, you could put like, four hematite in your corners. [00:38:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:11] Speaker B: To help kind of keep that. Keep that away. [00:38:16] Speaker A: Maria. [00:38:16] Speaker B: Cerna, I think you were in one of our last one. You were talking about, like, keeping up your positive. People that are negative kind of feel uncomfortable, and they kind of drift away on their own anyway. So if you can, like, focus on those stones when you got, like, the negative trying to kind of come around, the more you focus on this and being solid and, like, I'm not going to let that come into me, that negative is going to kind of, like, repel away and. And go somewhere else with it. So sometimes that can be a little harder to do, especially if it feels overwhelming. But the more you practice, the easier it gets. I find when it is for something for me, Maria Slush, you might have better science on this. I've always felt in. And I think I even read somewhere later that stones, like, they're they're little rose go about three feet. So they need to, to be more with like within a three foot of you unless you have a grid set up. So it's like I tell ladies when they're like, well, I need this for that. And I'm like, that's great. But if you need it at work and you're keeping your stones in your purse and your purses in a locker on the other side of the building, they're doing nothing for you you, because they're on the other side of the building, they're not in with you. Have you had different experiences or. [00:39:39] Speaker A: Not? No, but we can add to that because let's say you are on the other side of the building and you're like, oh my God, I need my, my, I need my moss agate and my moss agate's over there. Remember, Mother Gaia will always give you what you need. You are standing on the biggest source of crystals anywhere in the world. So there's times when it's like I'm walking into one of these big box stores, whether it's Lowe's or Myers or Menards or Walmart, whatever, and I'm like, okay, Archangel Michael, you've got a standing order and I need some hematite and I don't have any on. Just ask Mother Gaia to bring that energy to you. And ask and you shall receive and know that you can go forth in that energy. If for some reason it's like, oh my God, my black hematite. I didn't travel with it. I need some black hematite because this person on the plane is driving me crazy. Just Mother Nature bring me, bring me black tourmaline to protect me from this negative person. So you can, you can ask if you don't have it, but if, if it is with you, yes, it is better than it is within your field. And that's why. And maybe Maria, you don't understand, maybe you know that I don't know. But a lot of people like spheres because of the fact that they're round and their energy goes outward. Where a tower, you're going to have the energy go up straight. But in a sphere, because it's 360. A lot of people believe that a sphere's energy is, is going to, going to permeate the room in a bigger area because it is round versus a smaller stone or a tower. And there's are people that, that will only collect spheres because their energy is 360 in. In support of what you were saying, Melissa Again, I'm, I'm like, just give me the crystal. I don't care what, what form it's in. Doesn't. I mean, unless I'm using it for a geometric reason. I, I, I've never gotten like, oh, I only want this or I only want that. It's like, it's beautiful. I'll take it whenever form. It clicks, come in. And I've never, I've never been so specific. But I had people that, they only buy spheres. They will only buy spheres because spheres are the 360°. And I'm like, okay, that's cool. I, I honor that. And we'll look for a sphere for you. Me, I'm just like, give me any stone. I don't care. I love them all. Doesn't matter. [00:42:11] Speaker B: I, you know, in the beginning I was like, I'll take it in any shape. But then I get to be like, well, I want to carry it more with me, so it needs to be more like this. And I see that as I'm kind of like, looking around my living room and everything. Which, by the way, that Ruby Zo was like, on the window shelf in front of my face that whole time. It was, oh, wow. [00:42:30] Speaker A: And you couldn't find it the last time. [00:42:31] Speaker B: That was funny. No, it didn't want to be on you. [00:42:34] Speaker A: Oh, it didn't. It was shy. [00:42:37] Speaker B: And I'm like, no. [00:42:38] Speaker A: They do have personalities. They will hide if they, Yeah, I mean, seriously, they will jump and they will scream and they go, I'm not sitting next to that person on that table. I want to be. And I'm like, oh, my God, you're worse than kids in the back of the car. My crystals will actually talk. Yes. And if you've ever seen me set up a table, they're like, oh, my God, she's talking to her crystals. I'm like, yeah, I do. And they tuck back. They do. [00:43:03] Speaker B: So, yeah, I think, I think it was the first, first round in the Peruvian nature mysticism that, you know, I was going through. I remember my teacher being like, okay, here's your first set of stones that you've picked out before next month. Get their names. And I'm like, brock, that's their name. Because, you know, I picked him up outside, you know, And I'm like, it's real common from the Metro Park. It's, it's whatever. And like, two or three days later, I remember I was coming into the store because I had my, my Mesa set up, you know, on the other side of the store. Behind, like, some screens and the amount of yelling and screaming coming from them. And I'm like, oh, that's real. Okay. All right, cool. Let's, like. Got it. I'm. I'm listening, you know, to things that are outside of what my normal perception is and how and why to work with them, answer them. And, you know, and again, it kind of comes back to what you said. They are living little things, and everything has a conscious this. They are there just because they don't have little mouths that move. They still communicate, and, you know, they are still a part of the mesa. They're not near as loud as they used to be, because we had that conversation, but. [00:44:31] Speaker A: Well. And that we. They want to. They want. First of all, they're telling me that they understand that you understand them, and they have tremendous resp. And I'm being really serious about this, Melissa. They have tremendous respect for you for what you are doing in the mineral kingdom and how you are helping people. They have tremendous respect for that because you are authentic. And. And this is not a paid advertisement, folks. This is. This is spirit telling me this, that you. The two of you, are very authentic and sincere about what you do with the. With the mineral kingdom and bringing it to the animal kingdom. And that's why they have calmed down, because they have learned to trust you, because they know that you respect them and that, you know that they are real. [00:45:22] Speaker B: You know, on a side tangent, I don't know how knowledgeable either one of you are on the Rosicrucians. [00:45:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:45:31] Speaker B: And at one point, you know, I found this little blue book. I have no idea where it ended up. I obviously only needed it for that small a bit of time, and off it went. And I remember reading in there, like, how everything has a consciousness and, you know, everything is there. And, like, one of the examples it gave, it's like, you know, like the. The carpenter, the woodworker that is nailing nails to build a house. And for some reason, that hammer just isn't hammering right. So they put it down or, like, fine, whatever. Frustrated, they walk away. And the next day, that hammer nails right back the way it should. And it's because that hammer needed a rest. And I'm like, well, I'll be damned. How many times have you walked away from something like, you know what? Fine, I'll just come back later. And then you have no problem. And I'm like, I'll honor that now. Like, I can't screw. You know what? Fine. I'll come back later. Like, yeah, either you or I are having problems. We'll come back. We'll. We'll. Won't. We'll just do this later. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker B: But it's like, to even have it in a text from, like, way back when, back when they made books, like, size, and they were covered, like a little hardcover. Like, it was one of those old, old books. And I wish I knew where it was. Watch it show up here, now that I'm talking about it. [00:46:47] Speaker A: But there's a whole school on rotocrocyte. Years ago. God, this would be back in the 19 or early 90s through the 90s. I studied, and there was something out of California, and I would get a newsletter every month with a new teaching from the rotocrochens. And I. I don't know where those are. I would share them with you if I knew they were, but they might have been left in Turkey because they used to send them to Turkey to me, so. But it's an amazing, amazing ancient philosophy. [00:47:25] Speaker B: No, I. I really believe everything. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Has. [00:47:29] Speaker B: An awareness, you know, Even if it's just gravel in your driveway. [00:47:35] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, it's back to. And I. And I. This. This man is. When I meet him in heaven, he's going to haunt me because I. I choose to remember his name, and I always forget his name, and I always look it up, and then I forget it, and it's just like, okay, this man was given a Nobel Peace Prize in 1996ish because he found the God spark in everything. He literally found the God spark in everything, which the God spark is the living energy of everything. So there you go. [00:48:09] Speaker B: I'll have to go look into that, because now that's another rabbit hole I want to go down. So now we need to find how thick and wide. Like, what's the growth formation of moss agate. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:19] Speaker B: Which I'm glad you pointed out. It's like. Actually, Kel, Sydney, I feel like we should do a whole episode on misnamed stones, like, grape agate. It's not agate. It's. And pink amethyst is not amethyst. It's calcium. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:35] Speaker B: You know, I'm like, I hate that. Call it what it really is. Quit making up fancy names to sell it, you know? [00:48:42] Speaker A: Hate that. Robert Simmons. [00:48:44] Speaker C: Robert. [00:48:44] Speaker A: Was it Robert Simmons or Richard Simmons? Robert Simmons, I think. [00:48:50] Speaker C: I think it was Robert. [00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, he. [00:48:52] Speaker A: He. [00:48:52] Speaker C: I think it was Robert. [00:48:53] Speaker A: He's the master behind that. He was very, very good at making up names to sell stuff. God bless him. He's. He's living in New Zealand off of the ability to create names. God love him. [00:49:06] Speaker B: I don't like this, but that's not what it is. But actually mud. [00:49:15] Speaker A: It'S calcified mud. [00:49:20] Speaker B: But. Oh, I just looked at the time and I know. Maria Celeste, you have to be somewhere here really soon. So, so we'll start wrapping up here. But so, you know, Vogel crystals, these, these fun little guys here, great for healing, moving energy, especially either for yourself or for a client. Moving energy from yourself to the client or pulling things that you need to remove from the client. And because it's nice and clear, there's no obstruction. That energy is going to flow perfectly and nice and not get hung up somewhere. It's not going to be like a printer jam, like paper jam. That's not going to happen here. You love my analogies. [00:50:04] Speaker A: Yes, I do. I really do. They're very, they're very successful. [00:50:08] Speaker B: I appreciate them because I'm a very. [00:50:10] Speaker A: Visual person and it helps me get the visual. So I appreciate that. [00:50:14] Speaker B: Thank you. I'm like, how can I get this through to people? Aha. Think of it like this. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's cool. [00:50:21] Speaker B: You know, moss agate, which I'm trying to get the light kind of on it, this is the one we were just saying is actually more of a chalcedony with the dendritic pieces in there. So it looks like strands of moss. And this lighting is not doing it justice, but moss. [00:50:37] Speaker A: But it is pretty. [00:50:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So the moss moving through. Maria, you had said it's great for grounding, balancing. [00:50:45] Speaker A: There was persistence, focus, helping you achieve your goal, helping you put your heart into. Helping you manifest the desires of your heart and your reality. That's, that's, it's very, very good for that. And it helps you overcome the dark side of yourself that's keeping you from manifesting it. So it just, it works in the shadow side of you so that you can overcome the shadow side that all that negative stuff, because our worst enemy is between our two ears. And moss agate helps you overcome that because it grows in the darkness. So it's going to overcome, it's going to, it's going to, it's not going to listen to your negative stuff. It's going to do, it's going to do your soul print rather than your negative stuff. I hope I've explained that correctly. [00:51:31] Speaker B: I think so. I, I, at least I followed you. [00:51:34] Speaker A: Okay, good. [00:51:39] Speaker B: And then, you know, Garnet, more of what it really looks like before, you know, people in stores start heating it up. To. To enhance color. Doing man things to it. Great for exhaustion, especially this time of year, because I know. At least I'm sure I'm not the only one. Once it gets really cold and windy and bl. Outside, all I want to do is curl up on a couch and, like, not move and, like, take naps. I want to hibernate. And Garnet is great for fatigue and exhaustion. And, like, we have a lot of nurses and doctors, medical staff, because of where we are. We have a lot of big hospitals around us that, you know, they're like, man, I'm just tired all the time. And I'm like, well, working all them shifts don't help. Here, try this. But, Maria, you were saying it's good for. With the hearts, the. The physical heart. Not necessarily as much as emotional as what Rose quartz would do with it. And I know when people are talking about, like, hey, for, you know, love, and I'm like, look, Rose quartz is your romantic love. Garnet is your biochick. [00:52:47] Speaker A: A. Wow. Wow. [00:52:48] Speaker B: Like, this is your sexy time versus your emotional time. So there's. There's that if you want to work with. [00:52:58] Speaker A: Get your. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Get your romance books out and get your garment out and be like, it's gonna be an evening, babe. [00:53:05] Speaker A: So I love it. [00:53:08] Speaker B: I love it. You were saying, like, blood flow, like, the circulation, things like that. Right. [00:53:13] Speaker A: You need that for a fun evening. [00:53:19] Speaker B: You know, nature's Viagra. [00:53:20] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. We are human. [00:53:27] Speaker B: We are humans living a human existence. I mean, it's what we have to go through, what we signed up for when we came down here on this. This rock, this planet. [00:53:35] Speaker A: And I actually think the sexual side of it is the gift God gave us for being human. I really do. I honestly really do. It's like, okay, I'm gonna give you human life. It's not going to be so easy, but have fun in the sex part of it. That's why God created that, because he's like, okay, it's not going to be easy, so go have some fun. [00:53:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, here's your outside for putting up with this. [00:54:00] Speaker A: That's right. So bring someone. Bring some garnet. Bring some garnet into your room. [00:54:08] Speaker B: Put that around the bed post underneath the bed. Like, yeah. What corners of the bed. It's fun putting rocks in. In grids and. And doing things, because it's almost like you can, like, set it and forget it. Like, those stones are going to do what they do without you having to constantly think about it, meditate over it, tell it. It. They do their own Thing. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Yeah. Eric said to me once, he said, can you put any more rocks under the bed? And I'm like, don't go downstairs and see what's underneath where our bed is. Underneath. In the basement. He's like, oh, my God. I'm like, yeah, hon, it's okay. I believe in all of this. [00:54:44] Speaker B: That sounds like a challenge. Watch me. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like, oh, my God. You have grids in the basement? I'm like, yeah, I do. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Like, what? He's been with you how long? Why is he surprised? [00:54:57] Speaker A: Oh, this was early on. This isn't now 20. Now he's got. Now. Now all the crystals I'm missing, he's got. But it's really funny. Yeah. When we first were. He's like, what is all these crystals under the bed? And I'm like, oh, don't go. Don't. Downstairs. It just. It's just even crazy you're down there. He's like, oh, my God. I'm like, yeah, it's just. It's a God thing. It's just they're part of God's kingdom, and I believe they work. So there you go. Now he believes it. I mean, and he's grown to. He's. He's grown to love them, too. And he'll pick out a stone, and he'll go, yeah, you can have the stone back now. I'm like, oh, thanks. [00:55:33] Speaker B: I think the last time you were with us, you found a stash that he had behind the laptop that were pieces that you were missing that you're like, that's where that. [00:55:40] Speaker A: Yeah. So he just put a. Not too long ago, I would say maybe about a month ago. He's like, oh, you know, this is your jade bracelet. And I'm like, oh, thank you. That's about 10 years ago. [00:55:58] Speaker B: I mean, at that point, I would have been like, the fairies took it. I'm never getting it back. It's crazy. [00:56:03] Speaker A: That went like, oh, God. [00:56:07] Speaker B: It would be really interesting on, like, if he ever took a trip by himself, you and one or two trusted friends, like, just go through the house and look for his stash piles. Put them back. But be like, maria, here's this over here if you were looking for it. And in this drawer is this if you were looking for that. And over here, in this shoe box in the back of the closet, he's got this stash. [00:56:30] Speaker A: Yeah. No, you're not far from it. And he's got. When I go up to his bureau, I'm like, there's the Herkimer diamond. There's a ruby. There's the garnet, there's the infinite. And I'm like, oh, my God, look at what he's collected from the table. I send you a picture. It's like, oh, my God. [00:56:52] Speaker B: Just randomly leave a found it, post it note in a stash box, put it back. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Yeah, this has gone back to inventory, dude. [00:57:03] Speaker B: Yeah. But, well. Well, thanks for joining, guys, and hope you learned some valuable information about Vogel crystals, moss agate and garnet and how you can use them. And hopefully, Maria Celeste, we get to have. Well, I know we have you scheduled. I think it's like, January 20th, and we're gonna go. We're gonna start a mini series on. On your cancer journey and how you work through that, how you did your healing and. And. Which is going to be very, very exciting. [00:57:36] Speaker A: It will be. Yeah. And thank you for doing that. Thank you for. I. I just feel it's. Yeah. Spirit just had nudged me for, like, I don't know how long, and it's like, you need to do this through Melissa. So. [00:57:52] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's. Yeah. Like, I don't even have words for that. Like, oh, we get to do it. And we're going to talk about it. And, you know, it is from your point of view, your story and how you work through it. And, you know, and you walk to both sides of the medical and the woo woo side and combining this, them and, you know, and people love you and your work and to get your story out there so people can learn that. I can't wait to get that started. [00:58:25] Speaker C: Spirit. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Spirit asked me to do it through you. There's other people that have approached me, and Spirit was like, no, you need to do it with Melissa. [00:58:32] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't even bribe Spirit. [00:58:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no. Yeah. Spirit was like. And I was like. So I sat with it for. For probably about a week or so because other people have approached me, and Spirit's like, melissa's the. [00:58:47] Speaker C: You. [00:58:47] Speaker A: You need to go. It was like, go to Melissa. Go to Melissa. Go to Melissa. And I'm like, okay. [00:58:52] Speaker B: And I was. [00:58:53] Speaker A: So I sat with it and it was like, yeah, you need to do this with Melissa. So. Okay, here we go. [00:58:59] Speaker B: I'm honored. [00:59:00] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:01] Speaker B: And yeah. [00:59:02] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm honored that you'll do it. [00:59:07] Speaker B: And Happy. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Happy Quanza. Happy. [00:59:11] Speaker B: All the things. There's so much happy, happy, happy. [00:59:14] Speaker A: Whatever it is. [00:59:15] Speaker B: Happy, happy, all of you. [00:59:17] Speaker A: Yes. It. [00:59:18] Speaker B: There's so many things that happen this time of year that I'm like, happy everything under this umbrella, like, because I don't want to forget something. Somebody somewhere on, you know, their happy solstice. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Happy pig and happy. Whatever. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Happy, happy, happy. All the things and. And be safe with it. Well, thanks for joining Maria Celeste and. And you too, Maria Sienna, even though I drag you with me here all the time to do this. But we will see everybody next week for another episode of the Healer's Corner. Please stay safe and warm. Bye, guys.