Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome to another round of the Healer's Corner with Melissa and Maria. We're going to talk some ethics tonight.
And you know, honestly we were just talking about this before we got started there. There's only really a handful of really, really important ones. So this one may be a little bit shorter depending on interaction from our friends in the audience. If they have questions, by all means, feel free to ask questions, make comments. We'll respond to you live as we're recording.
But yeah, we were like, how many are there? There's this one, this one, this one, this one, this one.
That's kind of of the big ones, like those are the most important. So, but I think the biggest one and we even were kind of like the. The most important is like, please do not substitute energy healing for medical prescription and or advice from your doctor.
Like they can go hand in hand, they can complement one another, do not stop any medication, any therapies, regular follow ups with your doctor.
Despite what an energy healer may say or claim.
Yes.
And I think that was another distinction that I'm like, you know what, that's really important. We should go over that from anybody who is really, really brand new, the distinction between a healer and like the medical community. Right. Because some people I feel like, try to use those interchangeably.
And Maria, you, you had a good way of defining those out. So if you could, would you define for people the difference between the two?
[00:02:01] Speaker B: A healer, A healer works with energy, but you're not licensed medically, but you can be a medical doctor or a nurse or somewhere in that field and also become a healer.
So it's like this is to protect yourself and protect the client, you know, because in the grand scheme of things, the client is the utmost. What you're focusing at that time, what's best for the client. And you also want to protect yourself.
You know, you also need to learn about your limitations as a healer. What might work for some people, another modality might, might not work for them or it might work for them.
So take my modality, pranic healing. I work with energy.
I have had in the past said, you know, this is not working.
Maybe you need to see another, seek out another practitioner or if there's another practitioner that you know of that works, a different type of modality, you can recommend them.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: I think that is, is really an important topic which we kind of covered in the very beginning, like the very first episode was that you are not the healer of everyone.
So you know, it's not your job to save everybody in the world. Unless you are elevated up to a point of Christ, which by all means, then, yes, go heal the world.
I don't think we have one walking around right now, which is a shame because I feel like right now we really need one in the world.
But, you know, so be able and willing and keep your ego in check and say, you know what? I think you would get a greater benefit out of seeing a different type of healer. Or, you know, hey, you know, this colleague of mine is really great in doing that if you are open to maybe, you know, kind of go over and, and talk with them. But, you know, people that make the claims that, that they are healing all things, we're going to kind of segue into another kind of epic, right? Like, don't go around claiming that you're going to cure cancer, that you are going to reverse. You know, people who are paralyzed, like, stop if you. If that so happens, because, well, like, really, really, we're holding the space for the client to heal themselves.
So in all actuality, they're healing them. We are creating that safe space. We are helping that energy flow. We are, you know, creating that for them.
So to make the claims that you're going to cure cancer and that you're going to do this and that they're going to walk again and they're going to stand up out of that wheelchair, like, shush.
So be wary of that if you.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: Come across a lot more people need to know about the ethics of the boundaries is to help safeguard yourself and also the client.
And another thing too is like, and this is kind of great because I'm also a medical intuitive and I really don't like to do that because then people start asking, oh, well, should I do this or should I take this? Or maybe I shouldn't take my med. I go, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm here for. I'm not a licensed physician. I'm not licensed in any way to prescribe or diagnose or anything. I'm just here to compliment whatever your medical doctor is giving you, whether it's advice or medication, whatever.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah, they're complementary, not substitutes.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: No.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: So medical doctors come first.
So, okay, we talked about knowing when to check your ego and when to allow another practitioner healer to step in and assume the role when, you know, you're just not vibing. We touched on grandiose claims of healing. Those who are paralyzed, those who are blind, those, you know, who have cancer.
We talked about what, obviously, like our banner says, we work in tandem and we compliment medical advice. Do not substitute the other. What other ones did we have? Maria and guys, please feel free, ask questions, make comments, let us know your experiences. We'd love to interact and, and share with you guys.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: I, I mean, sometimes I have clients who have asked, you know, can you suggest something again, that might be another gray area to get into as far as, I mean, I, I work with essential oils. I do essential oils, but I will not outright say, okay, you need to take lavender or you need to take this or you need to take this.
If they're saying, well, maybe I'm thinking about taking lavender and trying that out. I said, okay, you know, try it out, find out if it works for you. That's different because they've been thinking about it. You have not outright said you need to take, you know, lavender oil.
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Yes. And even that with the essential oils. Those I feel like should come with the little addendum, like before you start ingesting and really using those, you really need to do your research on an oils because you can actually make yourself sick. You can poison yourself with them if misuse in overuse, you know, for instance, like lavender, you mentioned everybody likes lavender. It's soothing, it's calming. Well, if you are pregnant, you need to be very careful using lavender because it's such a relaxant. You can miscarry. But do they put that on those little bottles? No. Do the mlm, you know, oil representatives tell you that? No, because they don't even know. So it's really, do your due diligence on certain things, herbs and oils and even teas at times. Right. Because those are meaningful things. So be careful, discuss with your doctor, find a certified aromatherapist who's actually trained in that before you go to willy nilly on some of, I mean, you can burn your skin with some of them even.
[00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And it can interact with your medication that you've been prescribed by your medical doctor.
[00:09:17] Speaker A: Yes. So, you know, for example, I know a lot of people know, like you're not supposed to have grapefruit if you're on certain mood medications. And well, that, that applies for the essential oil of those, you know, grapefruit, orange, lemons, certain ones like that. Like that also means the essential oil. So, you know, do your, do your due diligence, do your research.
But we are not going to tell you to put, you know, lemon in your water. X amount of drops three times a day, like that is not our place to do that. We don't know what your doctor has told you is not our business. We're not going to sit there and be like, what did your doctor say on this date and what did they prescribe and what was your blood pressure and what was your height and weight and your bmi?
That's not why you're coming to us anyway. So the things that you're going to adjust and do with your body, that needs to run through a medical professional.
Now, another thing that we were kind of thinking about and be like, oh, this one's important, was who you can and can't ask. Energy, work and healing on.
Right. There can be a fine line.
Parents asking for their children. Absolutely. Have I asked Maria to help with, you know, my son and some issues he has had? Absolutely.
Is it my place to ask Maria to help my neighbor who maybe is going through some medical condition, who I only know in passing?
No, it is not.
Nor. And as you and I both experienced, if there is a client, a patient who is in the process of checking out of this world, if they're energetically saying no, and don't. You don't get to overwrite that.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: No.
[00:11:24] Speaker A: So Divine says during a class at a local pagan festival, as we were talking about energy, healing and how it works, a lady said, oh, this is great. I can stop taking my medications. I stopped the class with no, absolutely no. And I'm glad. Yes, no, don't full stop.
And, and, and I get it right. People are hopeful. They're looking for that thing to fix, especially if it's been a long, a long road to either recovery or, you know, something like an autoimmune that there are no cures for. Like, they're hoping for that miracle, but medical science hasn't gotten there yet, unfortunately, because otherwise I'd be like, I'm sure you would, too. I'm like, I can think of a whole bunch of people that will be like, yes, but yeah, no, never stop taking your medication just because you're seeing an energy healer.
And I would almost say if they tell you to stop, you need to stop seeing them.
[00:12:33] Speaker B: Yes, yes.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: The cessation action needs to happen. Stop. In that reverse order needs to happen completely differently.
But thanks for pointing that out, Divine, and sharing that. I'm glad you did stop that class.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:50] Speaker A: I hope it was a resounding no. Not just no, but like, oh, and really get that out there for other people.
[00:12:59] Speaker B: And.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: And I'm sure there were other people in the area who were just as like, oh, as you were about it, did you have any other ethics that we might. I might be Forgetting to cover.
No. So we, a parent and a, A parent can ask for a child.
Right.
Would you say a child could ask for a parent?
[00:13:28] Speaker B: No.
No.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: What if the parent would be open but are unable to come? Like maybe, you know, parent lives in another state, is going through something, likes to get energy, healing, but because they're out of state, they can't see you. What would you suggest then?
[00:13:50] Speaker B: As long as the parent is willing and, and it's a little bit different with a child asking for a parent. I have to hear it from the parent. So either have the parent call me or the child can do a conference call.
I have to hear it from the parent because again, that's a gray area that you don't really want to go there.
But if a parent asks for a child, that's different because it's a child, it's a minor, so that's different.
I have had instance like the one that we had with our friend.
Couldn't ask any of the family members.
So what I did is I actually Asher traveled. I went into meditation as you traveled. And I, I, I talked to their highest, you know, guides and whatnot. And I, if they get me, if they gave me an okay, then I will go ahead and do the healing. But if they're saying, no, I, I won't, I, you cannot play God. They have a free will. They had certain things that they needed to learn, do or whatever.
And, you know, how would you feel if someone would go ahead and do a healing on you and you come out of it, but you don't really want to be in this world anymore.
That's worse than being in a prison cell because you are prisoner in your body and you're made to stay in this world.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: You know, that kind of happened in a way with my one grandmother.
She passed. She had a dnr. And for some reason, the people closest to her that were responding right there. Because of course, I found out later and I did not know she had a dnr, though somehow that DNR was either overlooked or not known about until after she was brought back. And let me tell you, Grandma was pissed.
She was so mad. And I'm like, you know what? I would be, too. Yeah, too.
And because before she passed, she was seeing, you know, my grandfather, who I never met because he passed long, long, long before I was ever born, her son, who had passed long before I was ever born. So she had already been talking to them anyway. And, you know, she had never remarried, never, you know, she was waiting to see her family again. And she got yoinked back.
She was not a happy camper, let me tell you. And I'm like, you know, grandma, same, same. I'm, I'm right there. I can see why you're mad. I would be too, you know, so it can kind of. I think the reason why it's okay with parents for children is because if that parent is seeking out the healing and the help for the child, it is coming from a good place. As, as the parents, you're kind of in that no better space anyway and you have an overreaching view of kind of what's going on or as much as you can. Right? Certain young people are really good at hiding stuff from their parents. But you know, parents, we, we, we, we've been there, done that. We did it first. We understand that's how we know when you ain't sneak sneaking out. We know you're gone like so. Whereas if it's a child, like a grown adult asking for a parent, you know, it's like, is that parent really ready to go? Are they willing to, you know, kind of suffer a disease maybe in hopes to go out? So is it really your place to try and supersede that?
You know, and if it's a case where that, you know, parent is in a non responsive state, you know, that's where the healer then has, like Maria said, you, you know, you go in and you, you contact those guys, that higher self and say, is it okay to, is it my place to.
And you know, kind of take it, take it from there.
But of course, you know, it's the discretion of the healer and, and if really, or not the discretion, but the responsibility and if you're told no, then you are to honor that. And if you try to ignore that, nothing's really going to happen anyway because the patient is in control.
Healing. So what about healing on friends, pets without telling them?
[00:18:51] Speaker B: I have done, I have done healings on pets of friends. I did not. They know what I do.
So that wasn't, that was a very open.
They know what I do.
But as far as somebody who doesn't know what you're doing, that you are a healer, that you work with energy, that's still again another gray area because you don't know if that pet is under some kind of medication from the vet. You don't know what. And you don't wanna, I mean, I had pets who made the transition and I, I did have a pet that I did the healing on and I was able to keep her for another year.
But it was something that I had to ask my that pet. I mean, I did a pet communication and she allowed me to do the healing on her because it was my pet.
But another I go, that's another gray area that you do not want to walk into because you don't know if that pet is ready to transition.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Also, for the friend's pet, if that friend's pet is in a situation and for some reason the friend is just oblivious or isn't paying attention to or isn't like acknowledging. Right. Because there are some people who. Pets are just pets. They're not part of the family. You know, they're like, oh, okay.
But I would like to think that that's at times where you do more than just have a healer step in. Like, maybe a phone call needs to be made to local authorities, and maybe by that point, that's not even your friend. Right. Because you would be friends with that type of person. So here we answered that question anyway, you know, kind of similar. Like if you are an energy healer and, you know, maybe you're volunteering at a shelter and you've got rooms full of animals.
You know, I know one tactic we learned in for practical Reiki is kind of sending Reiki to a situation or to a room, a place. And so you can, you know, put healing energy in that space that the animals are in. So they're in there and they can pull that in if they so choose to and need to. You can also put healing energy into the adoption process so they can find, you know, the right appropriate home quickly to get them out as quickly as possible.
Um, so, you know, that. That's always something. I have recently with my boyfriend, we go Mondays up to one of the local shelters where he adopted his own little black cat. And I have found that every one of the little animals that I end up going, if I didn't have sethe, I would bring you home.
They're always gone by the next week. And now I'm like, oh, I gotta do this to all of them.
Pet, pet, love, love. I would take you home. So hopefully none of them are there next week.
But you know, that that's one thing, kind of like a shelter. So maybe not necessarily that particular animal, but you could do the whole room.
So that. That even helps the people who are having to surrender for whatever reason.
[00:22:28] Speaker B: Yeah, And I have done that too. When I have gone into a shelter, I have gone there and I just projected all this love, just in general, I just projected it. So that is something that, you know, and whatever is going to come out of that, you know, whether our pet is going to get adopted, they're going to find the right owner or even just to keep the stress level down. Because in a shelter, it is very stressful because of all these animals, they don't know why they're there. They don't know what happened, you know, and just to calm down the whole energy. So that's a different scenario than actually doing healing on someone else's pet without them knowing what you do or not even, you know, understanding the energy part of it.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
All right, guys, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask or we're going to end up rambling or it'll be a shorter episode because we really wanted to cover the whole, like, don't play God. Don't make stupid claims. Don't stop your medication with, you know, And I'm like, those are like the real big important ones. Don't go around trying to heal everyone without their permission.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: With the little, you know, bullet point of parent to child.
That could even be a little right. Because sometimes we have helicopter parents.
There's something's wrong when there's not, you know, and if the. I would like to think if the healer is really paying attention to the situation and the energy of what's being asked and how they're. You're gonna pick up on, like, no, that kid really isn't being a menace.
You know, the mom just wants, you know, XYZ and the. The young person is achieving, you know, lmnop. And that's perfect for the kid, but because it's not exactly, you know, there's nothing to heal. There's nothing to fix other than maybe the perception of the parent.
So.
[00:24:48] Speaker B: Usually when that. What I have had clients that have said that to me about their son, Daughter or whatever. I said, well, why don't we not focus on them? Why don't we do a healing on you? Oh, so that I turned it around. I said, why don't we do a healing on you? Because you're already here. You know, they may have booked a reading. You know, I said, why don't we do a healing on you? And that's when I usually do a psychological energy healing on them to help them calm down and maybe take a step back and breathe and say, okay, maybe I need to give my. My son or daughter some space.
So I always, you know, I always turn it around that way.
And. And I, I do ask, like, usually if it's. If it's. If it's a child like around 16, 17, later in their teens. I said, have this discussion with your son or your daughter first and have them come and see me if they're ready, you know, because around 16, 17, they're going through a whole lot of stuff right there, you know, so. Yeah, yeah. And like you said, helicopter parents, they may not do it the way they wanted to do. So as you have a disco, I want my daughter to come and see you. I said, well, have this, that discussion with your daughter, you know, once I found out they're around 16, 17. Yeah, they may not want to.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: They're. Anything wrong in their life that they need to have fixed anyway.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: Yes, for me, as an energy healer, the biggest. I think the biggest thing that was hard for me was when it becomes a family member.
So I had a family member contact me because it was doing Covid.
And I said, well, I go, did you?
It was another family member was in the hospital. And I said, okay. I said, did you talk to this family member?
And she said, no. I said, talk to this family member first.
And not all of my family knows what I do.
So the discussion. And then she called back and she said, okay, it's a go. I said, okay, fine. But I still had to get confirmation from his guides.
And I knew.
I just, I had this feeling and I got this knowing and I also got this word no.
So that was the hardest thing for me as a healer because it's someone that's close to me. It's a family.
So in that instance, what I did was I did enough to make them feel comfortable and have clarity on what they want to decide on.
I didn't do a full healing, you know, because I knew this person did not know whether they want to stay or for go because they did have co. Yeah.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: If you guys have any other questions or comments. We were discussing the ethics of energy healing and we gave a few warnings of what to look for. If you go in for a new healer around and if they're claiming that they do such things like cure cancer or paralysis, you need to get up and walk out.
If they tell you to stop medication prescribed by your doctor, you need to stop talking to them.
It is generally okay as a parent to request healing for your child. What about spouse?
[00:28:47] Speaker B: Again, that is a gray area because as an adult, they have free will and they're an adult.
So some, some spouses think this is woo woo.
Mine is one of them.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: All these years, he hasn't come over to the dark side yet. He's still holding out over there.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:18] Speaker A: Okay. I mean that man is committed over there.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: He is one of them. He thinks this is woo woo. He thinks this. Okay, I go, okay, go ahead, go see it. Go spend all that money on the doctors. That's fine, you know, go ahead. But I can compliment this.
He had, well, it was funny because he has these hiccup outbursts and it comes, it just like. No, it just comes. And he was just so tired that one time and he was like. I said, do you trust me? Let me do what I do.
No, no, no.
About 15 minutes after that he said, okay, go ahead, just do it.
So I did it. And then the hiccup stopped and he was able to fall asleep.
So the next morning I said, so what do you think about that? Oh, I knew it was already going off the, you know, it was my body just. I was like, okay, whatever.
He has an explanation for everything. So.
And if that is fine with him and that what keeps him going through the day, then that's fine.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: It. I, I really thought by now after all the years you've been doing, he would have finally like grudgingly like, okay, okay.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: My daughter actually was the one who also finds this very much like woo woo as she go, okay. And she went for six months going, buying all over the counter and she had, she had a cold that just would not leave her and all, you know, she said, mom.
And I said, okay, let me do what I do. And she was living in her own apartment at that time. So I go, let me do what? And she go, what do you need me to do? I said, I need you to just tell me when you go to bed.
So if you're gonna go to bed or maybe getting ready, so as long as I know that you're not going to be out driving because energy hits people differently. She said, okay, fine.
So she told me and I, I did a series of three healings for her for three nights. Distant healings.
And she was fine.
But to this day, if she still gets sick, she will, she will go and go to the doctor, buy over the counter stuff.
She exhausts all of that first, of course, before she calls mom, those two, my son actually, he's like, okay, just go do Mom. I don't wanna. Can I just lie down? Can you do what you do? I'm lying down. I go, okay, fine.
So he's okay with it. But the other. No, it's woo woo.
[00:32:23] Speaker A: It, it's funny though that. But she'll grudgingly though at least Let you when all the over counter stuff isn't is.
[00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:33] Speaker A: You know it's funny when, when my son was younger he was, he was more into it like actively seeking to be a part of. And as he got older, probably about 15 on is when he kind of started, you know, coming away.
But there were times where like he would like in the car on the way to a taekwondo tournament and you can just feel him like the nerves and everything. Like it felt like the whole car was shaking.
And you know, I, I kind of knew before leaving that that he was going to be nervous. So I had stuck my little Kintu Mesa like in my hoodie pocket because it, it would fit. And so I would just casually like oh that that's just, it's cramping the seat belt. So you know, it was my excuse to pull it out and just kind of put it like in that cup holder area of the car and look down and he'd be rocking a little bit. He's like can, can, can I hold that?
Yeah, you can. He's like, okay. And he'd like put it up by his stomach and I'm like funny mom's woo woo works when you need it, huh?
So it's he, he crosses back and forth over that line at times but unfortunately he doesn't actively. He's like Reiki one or two like certified himself. And, and I'm like so you're practicing your Reiki? He's like no, I think I forgot. Like oh, okay, okay. Just know you've got it, you can use it as you need. It's all right.
I need some of that Schedule 1 energy. Right.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: So yeah, spouses also the ethics there they are the adult and that's. They have free will. So they need to know what's that? Yeah, you know, you have seek and talk to a healer and would they be willing to go through a session and that's it.
And it's just the ethics.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: And if it's an unfortunate case, maybe where they're unable to physically speak and ask, that's where the healer would then ask the guides the higher self appropriate.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: I would say that the harder part is if you get a no after asking that of having to tell the spouse asking like they've said no.
And that can be tough, especially if somebody is transitioning.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: Oh that was the other important part that energy healers are not doctors or medical doctors, but medical doctors can be be energy healers.
So have any question about that with your energy healer by all right. And by all means ask if they are an MD of a medical profession be it psychological, phys, physiological before especially if they're like well you need to stop taking that. Why? Who said where's your md? On the wall. Show me, show me your credentials and keep an eye out for outrageous claims if you are seeking any.
But yeah, that, that was yeah tonight.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: If you're a client you are always in complete control and you can, you know they're there, you can ask them all the questions that you need to ask. Use your God given gift of discernment.
You know we all have this, we were born with it, question, question, question. And as a healer this was pounding my head with great knowledge, this great responsibility.
And it was my, it was my, my teacher master, he kept on saying that with great knowledge, this great responsibility. And along with that he said also bring in the love because you gotta feel where your client is coming from.
You know they might be in a desperate that they're looking for the magic, the magic wand, the magic pill, they might be that desperate but you have to, you know, have a conversation with them and, and they need to understand you're there as a energy you're not as a medical profession person. You cannot diagnose, you cannot prescribe.
[00:37:38] Speaker A: Well, thanks for joining us guys.
[00:37:40] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:37:41] Speaker A: We'll see you next week. Bye bye.
[00:37:44] Speaker B: See ya. Bye.
