Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the Healer's Corner podcast with your hosts, Melissa Wiles and Maria Cerna.
Hello. We're back. Hello.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Hello, everyone.
[00:00:14] Speaker A: And we've brought Hank with us again. It's been a minute, Hank, since we've
[00:00:19] Speaker B: had you a couple months. Happy to be back.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: I think every time you come on, the beard gets bigger.
[00:00:26] Speaker B: So it is, it's very poofy today too, so.
[00:00:32] Speaker A: But we have you back to talk about some, would you say common healing tools. Like things that aren't like the most expensive things out there.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I think healing tools really comes down to, like, things that we as healers can give a client to do on their own at home. Like, what do they do their homework in between sessions? Like, you might give them something to do, something to focus on, tools to help shift their mindset, like mantras. So like it's, it's the tools that they either can do on their own or the things that we're giving them to do. Homework in between sessions, I think are the main ones.
And then also physical tools. Like, we'll talk about tuning forks, Melissa's favorite noisemaker.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: Do they have a quiet tuning fork, a silent tuning fork?
[00:01:22] Speaker B: Well, the weighted one, if you're not right by it, is silent.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: True, true. I need the, the, the deep tone, weighted. You don't hear it. I'd be great with that one.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: But things that are within the grasp of people doing on their own, if you didn't hear from us, you might find it somewhere else and, and you could take it, run with it a little bit and actually start to do your own, you know, your own healing work. Because really it's all up to them anyway. We're just kind of facilitators to quicken them on their own path. You know, like they bring their healing with them. But like, these are things that all can, can of just be things in the toolbox. And once you have enough things in your toolbox, whatever life throws at you, well, now you gotta. You got a tool for that. Like the Apple app Store. There's an app for that. There's a tool for that.
[00:02:09] Speaker A: But I believe we wanted to start it funny enough. Belief, the belief system.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah. So like, I believe. Well, your reality is created based on your beliefs. Like if you are raised a certain religion or a certain culture or anything, like how much of your reality is interwoven around how you were brought up even so, like one of my favorite channels, his name is Darrell Ankins. He channels of being called Bashar. And he has this great saying, like, where have you been a belief thief?
And so, like, the beginning part is really starting to sort out what was I taught, who I should be, how I should be, what I should do. Like, what are the things actually, you know, imprinted on you that have nothing to do with what your soul actually came to experience? Because they. A big part of healing, I think, isn't so much about becoming something. It's about unbecoming all the things that you aren't and, like, sorting that out and then getting more and more confident in, like, being comfortable in your own skin and actually offering, you know, your unique vibration, your unique medicine or gifts to the world.
But that can only happen if you don't let mom and dad talk into being something you're not. Like, we were just somewhere for dinner, meeting some old friends, and they were talking about how they're there. I forget what the kid wanted to do. Maybe it was dancing, maybe singing or something. And the mom was saying how they said, no, you can't do that. You have to go to school and you have to get a real job. And maybe you can do that on the side for fun or something. And hear, like, how many people have been talked out of their passion and dreams because as parents, like, we don't want them to be disappointed. So then we paint a different picture for them, and now all of a sudden, they're going down a different trajectory than if they were to have followed their passion from the beginning.
[00:04:00] Speaker A: I mean, I'm guilty of that. When Run was little, he's like, oh, I want to make money on YouTube. And I'm like, nah, you won't. Now I'm like, dude, maybe all that.
I stand corrected. My son was wrong.
[00:04:18] Speaker C: I didn't do that with my kids.
I made them make choices because I knew that they are going to have to live with the consequences. So they had to pick their high school.
They had to pick what they wanted. And, yeah, they didn't like that.
But I. I'm here to help you and guide you. I'm not here to tell you what to do or what to pick.
[00:04:44] Speaker B: So.
[00:04:44] Speaker C: Yeah, but that's. That's a different, you know, end of the stick, too. They did it like that.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Now, you mentioned before, the beingness precedes the doingness.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Like Neil Donald Walsh, who is by far one of my favorite authors. You know, it talks about this model that we have backwards, where we think we need to do the thing they call get a job in order to have the thing they call money in order to buy the house. And then be the thing they call secure, where really like, the state of being needs to come first.
Because if you're always looking externally to do something in order to have something in order to be something, you're always looking to fill yourself from outside of yourself. And it might work temporarily, but ultimately both. Like, that state of being comes from within. And so the idea is that if you want to be the thing they call abundant, or if you want to be the thing they called healed or whatever you, you're looking at like, how do I create that state of being? Like, we talk about it in Hudo a little bit, where a part of the process with different magic items is you have to imagine the magic working after it's done. Like, how does that feel to have the result and let your whole. Or crackle with that feeling of it already being so and so? Like, it's, it's that beingness that you're really trying to, not trying to, that you're invoking within yourself. And then the cool thing is the universe delivers you opportunities to express that being through doing this. But if you have to do something in order to be something, it's always like you're, you're chasing the carrot. It's like the rat race that never ends.
[00:06:20] Speaker A: Now, I want to make sure we put it out there that if you're doing like, physical, like you're wanting to physically heal in that state of beingness, if you are on prescribed medication, that does not mean to just quit taking your medication.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: Correct?
[00:06:40] Speaker A: So can you explain a safe way in the state of beingness, how to work on physical, mental, emotional healing without going, well, I believe I'm healed. I'm not taking any of my medicine. I'm not going to them doctors when
[00:06:57] Speaker B: it comes to that too. Like, what's the core belief like? You can, you can try to convince yourself of something, but if the core belief is that I'm sick, then, you know, the thing to start with is asking being the question and staring that you really have to develop intuition. Sorry, everybody. Even if you're not going to be a reader, the basic yes or no with a pendulum or muscle testing or just getting that sense of what's light for you and what's heavy for you, because you have to start asking the questions, is this what's happening to me? Is it physical only? Is there a spiritual component? Because maybe if, you know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and you just got to do the physical things. And maybe that means working out and talking to a holistic doctor. Like Dr. K, who we've talked about before. I know one of her goals, like she'll work with people to get them off medications in a healthy way. Like with case by case basis, depending what's going on. So you need to treat whole being, body, mind and soul. You can't just focus on love and light and flowing Reiki. And now my cholesterol is fine.
You can fulfill all the rake you want. But if you're eating McDonald's every single day, actions speak louder than words.
So like if you're, if you're acting opposite of what you're saying you're looking for, and that's where the beliefs come in. Because it's like, well, if you're choosing that, there must be part of you that thinks eating McDonald's every day is a good idea, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it. So how does that serve you? And maybe there is an insecurity about being too attractive because maybe there was an abuse or something like that. And so part of you believes I need to eat unhealthy so I can present a certain way so that I don't get abused again, for example.
So there's all like beliefs really come down. They're so interwoven. And if you are not manifesting the life that you would like and the health that you would like, the question is where, what, where is this really serving me on some level? Where do I believe this is serving me? Because my parents were like that and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and I believe that. So I'm recreating my parents circumstances where you want to understand your parents. So you're creating the same circumstances because you put out to the universe. I want to understand why this person can do this to me and betray me like this. So now you've subconsciously created the same set of circumstances and are making the same choice. And then you go, oh my gosh, I get it. So like you, you really have to look at like what, what beliefs are you functioning with and what have you put out to the universe and what's showing up to start shifting into creating more consciously. It's really about. You have the iceberg. Just a tip is visible. There's all this invisible or underneath the surface. And we're making the unconscious conscious through all this work we're doing.
And it's important to remember too, healing is not always a cure. Like Zane will say that in our class when we're taking the shamanic program, healing is not always a cure.
So what's the real goal. And I like an acronym for healing because you know me, I'm an acronym nerd. Helping everyone appreciate life, heal. And that could be as simple as a change in a belief that changes your quality of life or actual working on a physical ailment or emotional mental situations. It all rolls up under that.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: So now that somebody has a good understanding of what they want, their belief and that they've got their being is that they want to be in to get that to manifest outwardly.
What are some of the common tools that aren't thousands and thousands of dollars? Fancy copper pyramids, metal, you know, tong drums, or the biggest crystal you can find at a gem show? Like what, what are simple techniques and tools that people can use to support that beingness that they want to have in their life?
[00:10:37] Speaker B: And I'm also just noting we're kind of going off more on manifestation, but that's where the energy is. So like I would say one of the most powerful ones because it's about setting the intention but not squeezing the sponge.
And so things like, and by squeezing the sponge, I mean if you're like saying I want this and you're, you want it so badly. Like if you imagine a sponge being squeezed, can it retain, can it receive any water? It can't because you're focusing so much and that's like over intending, if you will. Intention is like a bow and arrow. You off it goes. And if you have the intention, then you have a perception. You rinse and repeat. So it's about setting your intention but then maintaining it in a good way. And that's why I love like those knob candles that you have at the store, which is like, it's like one little round knob for per day for a week. Or you could do a seven day candle with a paper underneath it, like a petition paper. And you like light the candle and you just sit with it for a little bit. You restate your intention and you also ask the universe, God, source, whatever you want to label it as, like, what is my part in this? Because so often we set an intention and we just expect it to show up, but we forget that we have to take the steps too.
And it makes the whole process go faster.
But like finding like just candle magic is super easy to set an attention and maintain it.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: I'm a big candle person, so I'm like, I like that one.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: But you could also like, you can give crystals jobs. You could give like a pointed crystal. Like while you're in a super meditative state, you Blow your intention for what you want to create into the stone. And when you're going throughout the day, you have it in your pocket, you're rubbing it for inspiration and like, you know, just to kind of keep you. It's like a physical amount of physical representation of your intention.
You could use things like from Reiki, the Reiki grids and add to chrono symbol. You could get more elaborate if you want, but keeping it basic crystals, candles, writing it out, you know, like writing out the intention and like repeating that and then really just being open to noticing when the universe is giving you an opportunity to act and to take a step towards what you're looking to create.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Now I know at one point, and we were kind of talking about this before we went live, you're like, yes, sound healing tuning forks. And I'm like, why are you so noisy?
But I correct me if I'm wrong. One of your, your favorite tuning forks seems to be either the ohm or the perfect fifth.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: Well, well, I mean if somebody like keeping things price effective too because like I have 600 forks and you can go crazy. But I remember like when I got into sound healing, the big reason I did is I felt that when I was going to fellowships I was getting a lot of tools for spiritual things, for mental things, maybe emotional, but not a lot for, for physical. And that's when I found aromatherapy and then I found sound healing. And then this is a, like a weighted fork again. I'll hold it up to the camera so you can see there's weights here and then there's. I have a gem put on it. But like it's usually just an end like that.
But the beautiful thing with this, and I don't know if you're going to be able to hear it because it's weighted. Can you hear it at all?
Okay, so this is the frequency of ohm and so one, it's grounding and there's even science behind it. When they show the astronauts and the human resonance, like we actually get benefit from being resonated with the earth. So it's super grounding. But you combine this with a book that you can get and probably through Melissa, I'm sure you could order potent pressure points. It's a book in acupressure. And when you open it has all these little diagrams and you can just go and you activate the fork, put the end on the little points and you just follow all the little spots. For a headache or a migraine. In fact, way back when when the store was at the old location down close to the Fairview park border. We had like a healing day where we were just working on veterans and people were coming in and it was one of the other healers. They had a headache and I, I did the tuning fork with them on the points for migraines and the headache went away in like five minutes, not even.
And so like if you needed to just have like one fork in your repertoire, a weighted fork, 136.1 or 128, that's all you really need, especially for someone that's not doing it full time and things. And then the perfect fifth is more about balancing the nervous system. Dr. John Boyeux and that's why I love. He's a clinical psychologist who is also a musician who just had this theory that you could tune the human body. And then he came up with a whole tuning cord set based on the schumann resonance. But C256 and G384, heat bound can help shift the pitch of your nervous system and balance the nervous system. So that's another one that just bringing those two forks.
Sorry Melissa, I know you don't like noise, but I'm just little demonstration. You can hear the tones and just doing that for yourself or for a friend or whatnot, that can help shift your nervous system back into a more regulated state. So especially if you're prone to like being triggered, cptsd, that kind of thing. Not that we're claiming to treat, diagnose, cure any disease, but at perfect fifth that type of frequency can be very beneficial just to smooth it out. But if you're in public and you can't be noisy weighted fork, you could easily do that and not draw too much attention to yourself.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Have everybody wanting to come play with your noisy fork like I want to try.
Marie, do you have any questions so far for Hank on.
On what we've been covering here?
[00:16:19] Speaker C: No, I like the noisy, the noisy forks.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: And if people want to play with the forks. I happened to now be doing a sound bath that got to sleep on the first Sunday of every month. So I always have some forks with me so you can come out for the sound bath. It's at 6:30 on the first Sunday. Unless this is like a super old replay and you're watching it then you know, always check the store calendar to make sure something hasn't changed. But as of March 2026, first of every month,
[00:16:53] Speaker A: how awesome would that be? If it's been like 10 years down the road and people are still listening, that would Be amazing.
Now, you mentioned breathing and box breathing, and I'm like, oh, Maria, we talked about a lot of breath work.
But, Hank, you also like, you know, breathing, especially the box method.
So can you explain the box method and the benefits of it?
[00:17:24] Speaker B: Well, and first, the reason I like it is no matter where you are, what you're doing, the breath you always have.
You might not have a tuning fork or a crystal or treat, a hug or anything like that, but you got your breath.
And so, and this one, I, I, I, I. There's so many people who do breathing work, like, way more than me, but simple box breathing.
And they do this in the military even. And it helps reset the nervous system because really a lot of it's about resetting the nervous system. So you're in a state of embodiment and at one minute or whatnot, but it's breathing into four counts, holding four counts, exhaling four counts, holding the exhale four counts. So in 2, 3, 4, and hold 2, 3, 4. Exhale, 2, 3, 4, hold 2, 3, 4. Rinse and repeat for a minute or so. And just that in one sense, whatever was going on, you just interrupted what you would normally do because you're choosing to do something else. And so in the nlp, we would call that an interrupt, Right? Or. And there's different modalities, they call different things, but instead of getting mad and like lashing out at someone, you now said, ooh, I'm triggered. And now I'm going back and I'm doing my four count box breathing for a couple minutes or 30, however much time you have. And just that can put you in a place where you're choosing an action instead of reacting, or that your blood pressure doesn't quite go as high
[00:18:55] Speaker A: or your tachycardia comes down.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: Well, and being mindful that knowing that you're triggered, making that decision, stepping out, that puts you back into that mindfulness and the beingness, you know, of purposely being rather than reacting to the situation.
And you mentioned in your notes your color because we all have clothes, right? Most of us have clothes of.
And a lot of people, not myself, have clothes in many colors.
So how can people use color in their life? Specifically even clothes like to wear, to have the energy of that color.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I have to find the website. Joe Matson used to have the site where you would talk and make a little voice clip, and it would analyze your voice and it would spit out, here's the colors that you're missing in your energy field.
And then you would wear the colors that would be appropriate. Now you could do the same thing.
What colors do I need in order to help shift my mood or whatever the case and use a pendulum or do muscle testing and everything like that. But really, like if there are, and I'm sure we could google it, there's different colors that create different states. Like what color do you need more of in your life and where push yourself. And if you're really resistant, well, maybe it's not your color or maybe you are resisting going into the state that that color would help you get into because you don't want to look at that stuff.
Like when you start to, when you start to shift into a place that you're going to hit a more elevated vibration, the things that are waiting you down, they come to the surface. Just like, you know, boulders over the wintertime in a farm field, you. They boulders get heaved in the winter. And when you start to shift your vibration, the things that are not going to jive with that vibration are going to come to the surface. And sometimes we don't want to deal with that stuff or you just don't like the color. You know, it could be that too.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: Well, I mean there's even like, I'm sure it's science based and finding good reference points for like that I'm lacking in. But even knowing that like hospitals will avoid certain colors on their main walls because they make people anxious and upset. And you know, you already have your white coat syndrome where you're nervous about being there and then the energy of those colors stacked on top of it can make people uncomfortable. So according to a quick search here, specifically steering clear of deep reds, vivid oranges and bright jarring yellows. The colors can increase heart rate, raise blood pressure or cause eye strain.
So you know, which is agitating, doesn't make you feel very good.
[00:21:47] Speaker B: So yeah, there's all kinds of color therapy out now too. Where it was a lot of it's based on a guy named Dimshaw. If I'm pronouncing it right. There's a book called. I think it's Let There Be Light. I have it somewhere. But he made these huge machines that had these big light bulbs that were so hot that it had a cooling system to keep the whole thing from overheating. But then he had like these little lenses of different colors and that you, they, they especially tested it on burn patients that they were, they had them and they would take these different color combinations and they would do these tonation sessions that would last for an hour or more. And they found great results in that. And then they came in and trashed as it was kind of like the color, like, matte, like the rife machine that got confiscated and everything. It was kind of like the color therapy version of the sound machine. And then. But that's where we had all the, like, the halo technology with, like, the little botanically charged vials and things like that. So there's a whole world of color therapy. But it's so cost prohibitive to, like, get into that or find someone with that because, like, the. The little flashlight machine with the photon vials, they were like thousands of dollars. And you could go to Patty Conklin, which we. I wanted to talk about, and give people a tool with colorworks anyway, that you have one visualization exercise. And here you go. Here's something that is accessible to everyone. But, like, there's a lot of science behind color therapy.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
So you just mentioned Patty Conklin. Do you want to, like, talk about her for a minute and her color works workshop? Because you took it as well, right?
[00:23:25] Speaker C: I did, yeah.
[00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah. And you might have taken it more recently than me, so you couldn't, like, fill me in if I. If there's better ways to say things.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: But.
[00:23:33] Speaker B: But Patty. The unique thing with Patty Conklin is, like, she kind of sees the world like Neo saw the Matrix, when everything was like, the green coding going through. So, like, she. She just has a knack for, like, vibrational medicine and that kind of thing. But she developed this real simple technique that she could teach people that don't have that gift where you. You close your eyes. Well, I guess you could leave them open, but you, you know, get centered and you. And you be. The question, what color does my body need or my being need? Power, body and being and everything you are. What color does it need to bring my anxiety from an 8 to a 5 and make a tangible, realistic goal for yourself? And then what you would say is, like, you breathe in that color, but the trick is that from moment to moment, you allow the color to shape and shift. And the idea being that the second that you start to flow, the energy, the vibration that is most beneficial to you can shift, because as you're shifting, the frequency that's most impactful shifts. So you're breathing in the frequency and you're letting it change and change and change, and then you're breathing it out of. Of your crown. And not to be afraid of dark colors, because when you first start, it might be blacks and browns and ugly Grays. And it's just like, oh. But as you do that and you bring it down to a five, and then you say, well, what color do I need to bring my five to a three and a three to a one?
Or what color do I need to not be afraid to step into my authenticity? Like, you could use a question for anything that you like. And then run the that color and you're running the vibration that your body and being need to step into whatever shift you're looking to create for yourself.
That I remember it right, Maria, or did you?
[00:25:14] Speaker C: Yes. Yes. Yeah. Because it's very simple. It's very simple, but you have to allow the answer to come to you. That's the trick. Also not something that you want. Like, okay, I love blue, so I'm gonna have blue, you know, and then you might not have blue coming in. You might have, like a pink. And you don't like pink.
Maybe that's the color that needs to come in. Allow it to come.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: You don't see colors just, oh, does she not like pink? Of course.
But, like, some people aren't visual. So, like, like the carol of our. Like when Zane talks about the tradition from Peru, like, they are visualizing anything. They just trust that it's happening. So if you're one of the people that don't see things, that doesn't mean you can't do it. Just trust and know whatever vibration your body or being made, it's flowing from your feet up and up the crown. And just allow. See what you feel or see what you hear, see what you smell like it's. Or see what you know. Some people just have clear knowing and they don't get any of the fancy stuff. So, like, then it's just getting out of your own way. Because I'm not visual and I can't do it like somebody else does. It doesn't mean these things don't work for you because intention drives it all.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: That could be a really good technique for people who are blessed with synesthesia.
Right.
For them. Some people, colors have taste. They have sound associated, they have smells associated. And so if you can't visual it, maybe you are able to smell it, hear it, you know, some other sort of way.
I was just astounded when I learned that there are some people that don't have mental movies that they can't picture things. And I'm like, what do you mean you don't have a movie constantly playing? And some people don't have the voice either running in their head.
And I'm like, oh, what is that?
[00:27:19] Speaker B: Like, that's peaceful.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: Very peaceful. Very, very. I don't have that.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: Oh my God, I'm jealous.
But I would love to get a hold of Patty and be like, so about your color works.
Ooh, let's get into synesthesia. How to.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Maybe she'll. Maybe she'll hop on. Like she's really busy. So like it all depends on timing.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:27:47] Speaker B: Or sometimes what she did for. When I did that 12 hour live stream a couple years back, she couldn't be on live with me, but she recorded something for me and sent it and then I was able to just play it and then talk about it. So, you know, can reach out to her or I can reach out to her. Whichever.
[00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm like, hey, Patty, haven't seen you forever since our expo.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: Well, when you email her the right email, like you'll talk to her people and they'll work it out. I wouldn't message her just on Facebook, but I can, I have the email. And either I can email it or, or give it to you or we can email them and copy each other, whatever. But I bet you, you know, she loves us. I think so. I think she would if she has the time. I bet you she would. Come on.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: Oh, that would be fun. Fan girl. And Patty.
But I mean, color is free, right? So we can. You can use color all day long.
[00:28:39] Speaker B: And I never took it. But she also has tone work, so she does the same thing with sound, which I. I can't say.
Have you taken that one? Do you know how that one works?
[00:28:48] Speaker A: For sure?
[00:28:48] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes.
I, I have to look at my notes. There is a certain.
It's one of Beethoven that she recommended and it gets you back set to where you need to be. You know, if you are highly stressed or had a chaotic day. There is one that she recommended in class. I have to look for my notes and she talked about certain.
Even though these musicians way back did not know exactly what they were doing, but they were creating an art. Classical music, a lot of classic music is what she talked about out. And there's a tone in those frequencies in those music.
So it's music, but there's actually a tone in there that your body is resonating and, you know, connecting with. I have to look for my notes. It's been a while.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: That would be good to know. And I know like, there's like some science behind it too because they say when you like play music for a child, they have like Mozart effect. So if you're Playing Mozart, they find that it helps with development and different things. And just like imagine like when you're watching a movie and that soundtrack, it's like creating that emotion with you. Like music takes you on a journey. And modern day music theory is all based on just what they were doing there was like. It's not like they got together and like tried to make it make sense. It's like those people who wrote those things, they based music theory based on what they did and try to make it work and none of it makes any sense. Steps, if you get into it, it's like the piano's playing this key and this thing's playing this key and it's like, how did this all come to be? And it's so.
Because I'm. I'm taking music lessons now and I'm just like, this doesn't make any sense. But at least I know it's not supposed to. And now I feel better about myself.
[00:30:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: So I'm finding Beethoven Symphony number five seems to do a lot with like physical healing and Symphony number seven for emotional.
[00:30:53] Speaker C: I think it was the number five. That is what she was brought up bringing into class because a lot of us, you know, are actually more prone and conscious of the physical.
We don't. We're Some, some. Some of us are in denial of the emotional. We just not, not even look at it. But the physical, because you feel the pain.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: So. And I'm sure you can find Beethoven Symphony Number five all over online, you know, for free to listen to.
There is a mention of another piece.
It's called Atmospheres.
I am not going to butcher the artist's name.
I will put it in our show notes down here in the comments for people to look up on their own if they would like.
But Beethoven's number five, so.
You know, it's funny because it seems I have noticed a lot of people with certain.
What's the correct word? Certain personality types in SN8 even. Correct. Because like, for instance, autism is not a personality. Right. That is a genetic thing. But I. Certain types of people will prefer classical and instrumental and it seems to help keep them calm, in focus and they can like drown out anything that would normally be a trigger.
So it's interesting to find some of the science behind that.
And there was more googling. Our friends can go down those rabbit holes, but I guess the way it was written and the hurts that it's performed in like is that healing frequency. And that's why my number five is recommended. And I wonder what they tuned it to, you know, that is a whole long rabbit hole.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, let's not do that. That could be. Well, that could be a separate. Separate stream altogether.
[00:33:16] Speaker A: Turn on number five. Laying a bed if you're having insomnia and before it knocks you out, maybe you'll find out.
I don't know how accurate this is, but I'm finding it over and over again. Cancer cell reduction by Beethoven's 5th Symphony over 48 hours significantly reduce the visibility or viability of cancer cells.
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah, there is a. There was a. Not specifically Beethoven, but they were doing some work with these ultra high sonic vibrations that when people would just go into a room and they're being subjected to this combination of frequencies where it was having a huge impact on cancer cells. Now when that. If and when that comes to fruition. But like imagine that Beethoven is those same frequencies and they just octaved it up, you know, to these ultrasonic frequencies. Sound can do anything really.
It's just a matter of using it responsibly and doing some research. But things like the ohm tuner or Beethoven's fifth, you can easily do those things on your own without having to go down the rabbit hole. That educating yourself about all the ins and outs.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Well, sometimes if you go too far down the rabbit hole and you're. You get too much in the analytical mind, like you're interrupting.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: Yeah, the whole process.
[00:34:30] Speaker C: The process.
[00:34:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Sometimes it is just sit back and enjoy and don't overthink it.
Next up on your list, Hank, was some cool nature formations. And I'm like, yeah, trees. Maria's talked all about the trees. It.
But you wanted to get a little deeper on the trees and then cool waterways and waterfalls, especially if somebody lives close enough to go enjoy a waterfall.
[00:34:58] Speaker B: But yeah, well, it's all about reconnecting and, you know, developing a relationship with nature and with the trees.
In the Peruvian tradition, we call them mauki kuna. The. The trees and the. You know, it's not just about like hugging the tree or, you know, you're intentionally going up to it. You. You put your navel to the tree and you allow your navel to be like a drain and you allow all the heaviness in your whole body being and beyond, like just let it all drain into the tree. And the law of irony says you gift and you receive. You know, so like at when you feel that that flow has stopped, you just become receptive and let the tree gift back to you. And we call it in the tradition, it's called a car pie It's a sacred information exchange, if you will. And your heaviness, you look at this is all the stuff that made me who I am. I'm so grateful for it. You have to look at it from a place of gratitude when you're giving it. Otherwise you're not done with it and it's not gonna go. So you gotta, you know, let. Be grateful for it, let it flow. And then you're gonna get back from the tree like this, like little seeds of potential that you can grow within yourself, one of which is how to. And I knew reciprocity with other people, places and things.
Another one is how to be the portal between worlds. Because the tree has the roots that go into the earth. It is in the middle world with the trunk and with the leaves it's pulling in from the upper world. So, like, trees are naturally like.
Like bridging the worlds. And we're all bridges between worlds, really, you know, some more dynamically than others, but we're all. In all the worlds all the time and navigating that. And then the other thing that I love about trees is it teaches you how to be the alchemist. Because, like, if you think about that acorn, it's taking earth, it's taking water, it's taking air, it's taking sun. And that acorn becomes the oak. So, like, all the seeds of potential, your intentions, like, how you visualize your life as you really connect with nature, the nature spirits and the sun and all these things, like, you're really reawakening in yourself how you are this master alchemist. And the trees help with that. Of how you use all these things to make shifts in your life. And around the mesa that we work with, we go from a solid to a liquid to a gas to a plasma. Like, it's all about elevating the energies within you. And trees are like masters at it. And that. That's what you're connecting with the tree.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: You're.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: You're getting like a little, you know, healing lesson. And then it's up to you to nurture it, you know, water those seeds that it gives you back.
But that's why I love trees.
[00:37:34] Speaker A: And they're pretty, and they're pretty.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Just do not use the one in the back of the store that the poison ivy is growing on. It's bad tree to use that is
[00:37:41] Speaker A: beautiful in of its own right. And me and that tree have a lot of conversations, and I'm like, as soon as we figure out how to have a class on using poison ivy we are so doing this.
My favorite buddy there on the grounds.
Now you mentioned, like, waterfalls.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: Yeah. So like, my favorite.
And we do this as part of the shamanic program that we do. But like, anybody could do this where you go up to the waterfall and you take three breaths, and with each breath you are just letting all the heaviness pool and condense into like a little harpoon of heavy energy. So breathing in 2, 3. And then on the third breath, you retain and hold on like just like do a pukui. Just imagine this harpoon going into the waterfall. And just like the tree, you're letting it drain all your hoocha. You're letting it drain all your happiness. And then when you feel that stop, you go into receiving mode and you receive back from the water. The, the, the. The energy body to learn how to cleanse heavy energies.
And so that is a great thing. Even just listening to the water being by the water, you're getting it. And that, that's why you, you go to where the energies are naturally present. That's like Mysticism 101. You don't have to sit there. I'm going to figure out how to use the tree. No, you go to the tree. That's where the energy's at. And you commune with it, with whatever way is right for you. What we're talking about doesn't work for you. Ask the question, hey, spirit, what would be the best way to, to commit, you know, commune with this nature? Spirit, this, this waterfall. But that, but that's the technique that we were taught in, in our tradition. And it's super easy. Three breasts, harpoon, Drain, receive, repeat.
And even if you've done it a million times at the same waterfall, every time I'm at a waterfall, I do this exercise again.
It's not like you can overdo it. And every waterfall, it might have learned a lot since the last time you saw it. Maybe you had other shamans or pacos and people go, and it has all kinds of new information and tricks, and you want to make sure you do it again.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: Now, running streams could work just as well.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: It can, yeah.
Any moving water can, really.
[00:39:57] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: I just like waterfalls a lot, especially these frozen ones. Recently, I did not like the cold, but I really liked trudging out to see some frozen waterfalls. It was a highlight of the cold steps.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: The, the one of the few bright points of Ohio winters.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: Usually they don't all freeze like that. Even Niagara Falls froze for the first time in like over five years. It. It was, Yeah. I didn't get to go that I didn't, didn't think about going to Niagara Falls until it was too late because I already thawed. But next time.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: Now you also listed k caves.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: Yeah, caves are like the womb of the mother.
And so when you go to a cave you're like naturally within her and you, it's like the great place to just go and let all the having to just flow out of you and into the cave.
You don't even have to just like osmosis is pulling out of you and going into the cave. And it doesn't even have to be like a full cave. It could just be an overhang. You could use a sweat lodge. But the idea is that you're going into the belly of, of the earth and you're letting her digest or break up that heavy energy for you.
And in fact we have a technique in shamanism. It's called hoochie miqui. You know, it's to digest heavy energies. And when you're in her belly or if you will, that is the place where she's working that energy. And just being in a cave for any period of time is going to help move that through. And there's other things that happen that I won't talk about so much energetically, but you're getting more multiple benefits. In addition to digesting the heavy energy, you're also receiving all kinds of healing from the cave that's going to balance the energy field in unique ways.
Defragment you. If you're all over the place energetically. There's a lot of benefit to caves,
[00:41:43] Speaker A: but they don't have to be super deep, long spelunking caves.
[00:41:47] Speaker B: And if you can't even find a cave, lay on the earth, you know, like caves are most ideal at the end of the day, laying on the earth, you're gonna, you're gonna ground.
If you're, if you just have two feet on the earth and have the intention to connect with the earth, intention drives it all. But the first couple times you do it, being in a cave, you're, that's where the energy is most naturally present and you're, you're gonna have the, the energy body is going to learn the most by going to a cave.
Then it will be more productive when you're just on the earth and running it or asking for it.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: Do you have any questions, Maria?
[00:42:26] Speaker C: No, no, I do agree with.
I do the trees.
I, I mostly use the rhythm. Yeah, I use the rhythm actually of the leaf. You know, when the air is blowing. I Love that musical rhythm of the trees that it gives.
And also the.
[00:42:45] Speaker B: The.
[00:42:46] Speaker C: The streams and the waterfall. The rhythm that vibration is coming from them.
I haven't got to a cave yet. I. I need to go to a cave.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: You have to.
[00:42:57] Speaker C: I haven't experienced that yet.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: You've been.
[00:42:59] Speaker A: You.
[00:42:59] Speaker B: You went through the program. Did we not go to a cave with you or did you, like, play hooky?
[00:43:03] Speaker C: Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did go to that cave. The Crystal Cave. The Crystal Cave, yeah, we went down there, but I didn't know what I was doing at that time. That was the very first weekend.
I need to go back.
[00:43:17] Speaker B: But, you know, even if you didn't know with your mind and that that's why Zayn teaches the way he does and some people like it and some people don't, is that you have the experience first and your energy body on it, whether or not you. Your mental mind made sense of it. But now going back, it. It would be a whole different experience.
[00:43:33] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, that's why I need to go back there.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: Yeah. But there's also Deer La cave down and I forget where it is. And then there's like, old. There's one in Akron that. That's huge. That we've used. There's a lot of good caves. You could also use a grotto at like a Catholic place. That would work too. Or the baps. The baptism thing. We've used that to release heavy energy in a church before.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah, there's. There's Bear Cave and Illyria even.
So there's some kind of closer.
[00:44:05] Speaker B: I have not heard that one. I will have to check that one out.
And Barry's even one of my spirit animals, so that's like, extra cool.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's a fun little. Fun little area. And there's waterfalls near it.
I believe that was one of the locations when we were trying to find where to take people. I'm like, oh's got two out of the four, like right here.
But, you know, Illyria is like, close, at least where I'm at.
I don't know for you if one of the other ones would be closer from your house, but nature sites are
[00:44:38] Speaker B: worth driving a bit for.
[00:44:42] Speaker A: But if any of our friends in the audience have any questions, feel free to ask.
Going over some common tools and techniques so you don't have to have expensive fancy woo woo equipment to get the job done.
Probably putting myself out of business, right?
No, you must come by the biggest rock that I have, and the bigger the better.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: Especially if it's over a pound. You get double the healing,
[00:45:14] Speaker A: You know, especially like Beethoven. I'm sure you can find Beethoven on either, know, Amazon or on YouTube or some music streaming, you know, and just be able to listen.
Yeah, we kind of got through all of that kind of quicker. I'm like, o. It might be hard to keep it under an hour, but I think we, we did a good job.
Yes, Maria.
Oh, I heard you. I thought you say something. I was like, no, leave us hanging like that.
[00:45:50] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I'm thinking about my cave trip now when it's warmer.
[00:45:56] Speaker A: Yeah, you definitely don't want to try and get to any of the caves right now with the ice and the slush.
There was one year it was like nice bright and sunny, but it had rained a couple days before.
And that year we had a handful of our students who were not as mobily agile because of their age.
And I spent more time walking around constantly, like ready to catch them if they slid because I'm like, oh, man, I'm having a hard time in here. They're.
And I think one of them almost did go down at one point. Point. And I'm like, oh, that's it. Here we go.
[00:46:43] Speaker B: That's how you have the waiver inside
[00:46:45] Speaker A: the waiver because it was just muddy.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: West Virginia. We had this mature couple climb all the way up to Seneca Rock, like the, the very top. And then the whole way down, like, we're like, everybody else was gone. It's like me, Zayn, Anya, a couple others, and we're all just like walking down with these two people. And it was a great, a great time. And I, I can't believe how easy they made it look. I'm like, I'm. I'm out of breath and they're just, they're. They're doing it whether as well. There's a way.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: Hey, Lisa. Both Lisa's. We got our friend Lisa from Chicago and Lisa from the Cleveland area.
[00:47:23] Speaker B: Lisa squared.
But all these tools and techniques and everything. I think like where people a lot of stuff start really is like a just looking at themselves like, who am I and who I think I am. Is it all me? And like really start to understand like what makes you you and where. Where you might have been a belief thief. And like when you start clearing up your belief system, like a lot of things that might be showing up in your life will naturally kind of work them, work their way out, but it's like really getting to the root cause of, of those things. And you know, that's where sometimes Going to a healer can be helpful, but like, if you can really ask the question and be honest with yourself because that we're really good liars. We like to lie, you know, make ourselves the hero of our story, but we're also the victim of our story. And we have to like, look at where we've allowed ourselves to be disempowered either by our own doing or someone else's and, and like start to, to work on those things and stay the course. And then all these tools are just help that, like when you run into things that, that might need a little more oomph to get through or whatever, that all the tools that we're talking about really can help with those types of things.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: I think that's the hardest part. Being honest with yourself.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: Yeah. That's why it's good to have at least an accountability person that can call you on your bs.
As Melissa has called me many times on my bs.
She is a very good. She's our head BS caller.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: I was gonna say, I know Maria's called me out on some stuff.
Calavera's like, you, that'd be you. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. Damn. Okay, note taken.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: But the way that you just even talked about that. Yeah, you're right. Like giving yourself the grace that. Yeah, that was, that was me. And like, then like some people, we start to judge ourselves. We're doing it wrong or judge ourselves or judging ourselves. And then we're just adding more heaviness where like the space of grace as you move through it is paramount. Like, we tend to judge past actions based on current data. And we've all done really, we made the choices, the best choices we could make at the time. We might regret it and have a different point of view one second later. But if you can just give yourself the benefit of the doubt that you really have made the best choices you could have made at the time time you made it, you can do a lot of like just self forgiveness and like being. Being in allowance of oneself as you start to actually do the healing process.
[00:49:52] Speaker A: I find as I get older it's easier to accept that part. Those parts of like, yeah, I did it. Okay.
Like, let's get into why. Okay, you know, note to self, don't do that again. Or, or choose better or you know, and I. That as you get older you don't care what people think near as much. And so you're able to step back and go, yeah, that was kind of effed up. Okay, got it.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: I Like saying I had a moment of crazy. B.
[00:50:26] Speaker A: Crazy.
So I, I'm. I'm embracing my. My older.
No F. Given, you know, stage of life. And, and even at times, like looking back at younger, what was said, what was done, what I thought I had to do, what was the. You know, and now I'm like, oh my God, that was so trivial. Why was I so stressed about that? Like, now I'm like, okay, whatever. And so I find if people come in and, you know, they're asking for help and, and if I hear that they're kind of stressed about that, those same things that I was way back when, I'm like, let's talk about some stuff first before you drive yourself insane.
Because been there, done that, you know, let's, let's look at more options and help you decide if you still want to do that or now that you have another point of view on how that could turn out.
Maybe you want to choose something different.
Learn from my mistakes or, you know, my inaction on something. So getting older is great. That way.
There's no level, you know.
[00:51:44] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Throwing away the rule book and forget what people think because it's not worth it.
[00:51:54] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:55] Speaker B: And aa we have a. It was a prayer I heard once. It's like the set aside prayer where you say, help me set aside everything. I think I know because half the time we stop listening because we think we know and now we don't need to know whatever that person sharing. But if we can set aside everything we think we know and actually receive the points of view and the guidance, then maybe we can have a better chance of making a decision that's more fruitful.
But if you're a know it all, then you know you're not open to receiving. So I really like that, that intention. Just help me set aside everything I think I know about everything. Healing about universe, God, relationships, religions, politics, all of it that I can have an open mind and experience. The truth is the rest of the.
[00:52:40] Speaker A: Yes. Take the, the tunnel vision, ears off, you know.
[00:52:48] Speaker B: Well, no questions. It's amazing. We must have done a really good job.
[00:52:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. And I'm like, well, to wrap up maybe early answers.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: There's no questions.
We have people saying hi, that's cool. Hi everybody.
[00:53:01] Speaker C: Hi.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: Patty. Yeah,
[00:53:07] Speaker B: Is really cool. Also,
[00:53:11] Speaker A: wasn't she at our expo for a few years? Right?
[00:53:13] Speaker B: I don't, don't. I mean, she ran an expo way out.
I don't know. She. Oh no, that's Patty Dunes. I know too many patties.
I don't know if this Patty was in our show or not. Maybe.
Maybe it's I think she was somebody that I I had not met in person much, but we were in each other's orbits talking and she ran some things on the E side and that kind of stuff. If I'm thinking of the correct yeah.
[00:53:40] Speaker A: Well, thanks for joining guys. We will be back next week for another episode of the Healer's Corner and we may be able to wrangle Hank again in a couple months depending on what we can come up with to talk about.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: I'm sure we could find I figure
[00:53:56] Speaker C: out something so his walking encyclopedia of knowledge when comes to vibrational healings.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: Yes. Maybe our next topic is the healing energy of braiding your beard, Hank. Maybe that's what we
[00:54:11] Speaker B: okay. Well, let's see got let's see what onion I can put together as we right.
[00:54:19] Speaker A: All right. Well have a good night everyone and we will see you next week.
[00:54:25] Speaker B: Bye, guys.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: Goodbye. Day.
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